Have some civility.

I think a lot of people are neglecting to think of Biden's lifetime record in public office. The United States is the nation on Earth with the greatest proportion of its own citizens imprisoned and we have Biden's 1994 crime bill in large part to thank for that. Unfortunately it wasn't terribly shocking when he went on to be more supportive of the Palestinian genocide than any other president in US history other than Trump.
- They're not neglecting it, they're purposefully ignoring it. People will tag (correctly, mind you) Reagan, Nixon, and Dubya as the issue of modern America, but if you bring up the voting/writing record of the most recent Blue Guy, somehow its not their fault, people are allowed to change, people can learn better, etc. etc.

Every liberal would be cheering and partying in the streets if Trump got stage 4 cancer.
Then they turn around and say "Wow you're so uncivil for cheering for the guy who has aided in a genocide, helped make COVID a permanent issue, ignored kids in cages, and made Trump run again."
Do they just not see all the issues with their favorite candidates or are they just unable to witness their own doublethink?
- Remember when they got mad after Trump said "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters"? They said it was cult-like behavior by his followers.
  But when Biden bombs children, or backs a genocide, it's somehow not cult-like behavior to keep supporting him.
  
  Murder is bad when its the other guys, our murder is just the way things are, nothing can be done to prevent it.
- Blue MAGA is not a saying born lightly. These people are truly incapable of seeing their own party for the monters they are.
  
  And then when you call them out, you're calling being a useful idiot for having a braincell that wasn't fed propaganda for a doupoly.
  Every time someone says "Blue MAGA isn't a thing" I just roll my eyes and recall every time I was right about the DNC failing to protect the democracy they claim to support, and got downvoted, banned, flamed, censored, etc.
- Putting a finer point on it, they would be ecstatic if it were Sanders.
  
  If Sanders keeled over, .world would be smugly saying "Aren't we glad he didn't have a chance at winning? He would have turned Murica into a socialist commie hellhole!"

I won't excuse genocide. And apparently I'm the devil because of it.
If someone can excuse genocide that's a personal failing they should see to.

Watch out, you're going to upset the folks at lemmy.world
- .world is upset anytime someone lightly criticizes their favorite politicans, we can ignore them.
- And the german feddit
  
  Feddit already permabanned me for calling the German government Nazis a few weeks ago so their precious eyes are protected from seeing this meme.
  
  The 'good german' feddit.

Genocide is an antiseptic term for a very nasty thing.

There's been so many blue maga types popping up since the news came out and it's hella annoying. For an entire day on bluesky you couldn't go anywhere without seeing some ex Facebook boomer blue maga type glazing genocide joe. God forbid you said anything against him and you got absolutely dog piled and scolded by people who were one wrong turn away from being Trumps strongest soldier.

Libs stop thinking in electoralist terms challenge [back-breakingly toilsome]
Democrat politicians abandoned you decades ago and don't have your interest in mind, please please PLEASE stop defending them/putting your hopes on them (and the electoral Kabuki theater in general) and do something about your situation yourselves. Organize, build community, help people in need, use your privilege where it matters.
It's too late for elections, even more if that's the one and only thing you're willing to do politically. You might "win" a presidential term for a democrat president next time but the damage is already done and everything is rotting around you.
All this dumb bickering about "voting for the lesser evil" is incredibly frustrating for people from countries who endured dictatorships. So if anything, listen to them and act before it's too late.

I think gloating about cancer is gross.
I also think using cancer as an excuse for hagiography of a man who knowingly sold weapons for an ongoing genocide is gross.

I got plenty of downvotes for not having sympathy for biden the other day

You leftist rabble-rousers with your lofty ideals of "not doing a genocide" don't know anything about getting elected and getting things done
loses 2 elections to the most disliked president in history*
DAMN YOU PUTIN!
- You gotta understand, we only had three months to distance ourselves from Biden but also didn't want to. It was the only way to make sure the donors were happy. You understand right? Stop blaming us for taking no positions and blame yourself for demanding us to take a position to secure your vote. It was a completely unreasonable ask and you knew it!
- What next, you'll demand to be able to afford rent AND food on the average wage? Pick one and be grateful
  
  One? Look at Rockefeller over here.
- No one said it was fine that Harris supported Israel.
  What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election, and they both support the genocide. We condemned the one-sided criticism, not the facts.
  
  If you never said that harris shouldn't be supporting genocide, you never encountered it.
  
  I saw a ton of people that tried to say Kamala would be better without any actual evidence of that.
  
  Since we are in a post election situation, by constantly scape goating voters, you are doing one sided criticism.
  Trump helps genocide and he is a bad guy, Biden and Harris help genocide but the voters should have accepted it essentially.
  If we refuse to hold the dems accountable for their actions which directly led to Trump winning, they will plot the same course for the next election.
  
  Actually a huge number of people said it was fine that Harris supported Israel, as well as a huge number who engaged in heavy denialism about Harris' support of genocide.
  
  What we all said was there are only two candidates who could win the election
  Yeah, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I remember.

Got a comment removed yesterday for 'hate speech'.
Lemmy .world is just Blue MAGA complaining about Reddit being Red MAGA.
- I saw that; it was particularly ghoulish because it was in a comment section full of actual, overt hate speech. But that hate speech was directed at America's enemies, so guess who's catching the ban.

Liberals: but what if we compromised, how about only some genocide? What if Israel only tortured half as many babies? What if Israel only illegally annexed half of the West Bank instead of their current plan to annex the entire thing? What if people were able to afford 50% of rent and 50% of all bills? What if we only cut Medicare and Medicaid by 50%?
- Don't be silly, liberals aren't offering to spare half the Palestinians, there offering "killing all of them, but with a troubled expression on our face."
  
  Or kill half of them and then, as a compromise, only kill half of the ones who are left (repeat until total remaining Palestinians is less than 1)
- What if Netanyahu put pronouns in bio?
- I voted third party for Claudia de la Cruz. There were options on the ballots that were against genocide.
  
  My comment was removed by the mods.. probably because I let my rage show. Though the mod log shows rule 2 instead of rule 1 :P
  Here's a longer and nicer version:
  I'm a (US) liberal, and I don't approve of any of the views described by kittenzrulz123. Lumping half the country into a single bucket is not going to give you a good overview of the myriad ideals we might have individually.
  You have a choice. You can look at the political landscape at the moment of the election and choose one of four options:
  vote for the guy who will absolutely fuck over everyone he can for his own profit. We knew what he was back in 2016 and he isn't going to change.
  vote for the lady who has a chance to win, is probably still crappy for some demographics, but is miles better than #1 and not likely to declare war on a random country because she's hungry.
  vote for someone who has a 0% chance of winning, effectively throwing the vote to the rest of the population.
  abstain, also throwing the vote to the rest of the population.
  At this time, our election system really only works for two parties. Any third-party vote is useless, if not counterproductive. If you can't understand how that math works, let me know and I'll break it down for you. I'd love to change that, but the process is by using our ability during primaries to put forward more liberal candidates that support election reforms, not by putting our heads in the sand and voting 3rd party hoping that we will make people notice... hint: they will not.
  If you don't like your choices when you go to the voting booth in November, the solution is to get involved in late November and make things better next time. Join a local democratic organization and become part of the solution. Complaining online about how your choices suck is something we can fix if we all jump in. If you're not doing that, then you are abdicating your responsibility and allowing others to make the choice of who represents us instead. If you choose not to be part of the selection process, the very least you can do is vote for the 'lesser evil' and not make things worse.
  Side note: the Primary election is the end of that selection process, not the start. Putting your values on the primary ballot is where you should spend your energy if you're mad at the status quo.
  I will admit that I'm angry that we didn't get a Democratic primary and that Harris was ordained as Biden's successor without any popular input. The DNC is to blame for that fuck-up. It's irrefutable, though, that Harris would have been better for Palestine, the US economy, US healthcare, foreign relations, and dozens of other topics than trump is.
  Would Claudia de la Cruz have been better? Sure. Her platform looks awesome. Did she have even a chance of winning? no.

Nooooo guys!!!! Biden genocide was better than Trump genocide! 😡😡 You don’t understand, he said he was trying not bomb children!!! 😢
- I know I'll get downvoted for this, and to be clear, all of our governments supporting this genocide are absolute bullshit and capitalism is bullshit.
  However, at least you had one choice that wasn't actively also trying to destroy your own country and take away the rights of people in your own country to such an extent that they now can't even worry about what's happening elsewhere because they're too worried trying to find healthcare and not get deported, killed, or permanently detained.
  If you were going to not vote in order to take down the system, then show up and take down the god damn fucking system.
  
  However, at least you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
  When a normal, moral person discover that a country is hellbent on genocide, they would think that destroying that country is a good thing.
  take away the rights of people in your own country
  The genocide in the colonies must continue for the benefit of the people in the capital.
  they now can’t even worry about what’s happening elsewhere
  So you were worrying before? Certainly didn't accomplish anything.
  
  you had one choice that wasn’t actively also trying to destroy your own country
  If both parties are doing a genocide right now, how can you argue this is a bad thing?
  From a global perspective, the U.S. empire can't end soon enough. It'll even be good for the U.S. if we manage to take all that money reserved for worldwide slaughter and build houses and pay for education with it. Unfortunately, none of that appears likely to happen unless the empire crashes and burns first. Whether we can make something better out of that is another question.
  
  Let me give you this dilemma, given the imperial nature of the US and that you need an overhaul of the system, isn't trump the perfect candidate to vote to do just that?
  
  ~~"I'll get downvoted for this but..." Says the most valid take ever~~
  Nevermind
- I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
  Neither should happen but since i don't get that choice, I choose the option that saves millions of lives.
  Not to mention the US is now party to the Ukraine genocide too.
  not to mention the real threat to foreign born citizens and LGBTQ people in the United States itself.
  So yes Biden is better even if we are dealing with shades of black
  
  This is also false. Biden drastically upped the military aid to Israel after Trump left office.
  The US democrats are a vicious, genocidal party.
  
  I mean it is though, at least from a numbers perspective.
  And which numbers are those? Oh, you meant vibes.
  
  Okay, but then if we point our finger at your face and call you a genocide supporter, you shut up and take it right?! Right?
  
  You did not have to preface it with pretending to save anyone. You simply care only about yourself and you do not care about anyone else.
  
  Except now Trump is starting to play hardball with Netanyahu, and is distinctly unhappy with the the U.S. taking so much flak while being treated as a money fountain.
  There is a much more real world where Trump gets sick of Bibi and pulls his support than Harris pulling support from Israel. A fully isolationist U.S. is better for Palestine.

its so funny seeing all the libs seething that many people think biden got what he had coming if not got off extremely easily considering the evil shit he’s done. they dont see the evil tho. they just see that he’s a democrat so surely that must mean he’s good.
when brandon dies the universe will be righting a wrong. fuck him. no sympathy or empathy for him or his fucked up family who have neither for any of us or our families or especially those in palestine or otherwise exploited oppressed nations
- I was kind of surprised they are batting this hard for Genocide Joe when he already lost them the election. You'd think that after Biden screwed their winning chances they would have slightly more disdain for him.
  Not because of the genocide of course, they don't care about that because it doesn't affect them.
  
  They will die on this hill, they don't have the balls to face the reality that the US is a genocidal nation.
  
  This is because the DNC doesn't actually want to win, that's why they ran him in the first place, but frustratingly failed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2020
- They see Biden like he's their dying racist grandpa
- Buuut it's your guy's fault, if only you'd have voted for the less evil of the two evil guys we'd have a waaaay less evil guy doing less evil guy shit and being waaaay less evil-y obvious about their evil shit. Don't you see? You made it obvious that the evil guy is an evil guy, instead of the less evil of the evil guys, damnit!!!

What if I don't give a flying fuck about Biden? And I find both the people dancing about his nearing demise and the people clutching their pearls about that fucking stupid? There are almost certainly more important things of substance to place your energy into.
I'm so fucking tired.
- Less than a year ago he was the Democratic nominee for president. The fact that he was obviously unfit for the job is an indictment of all the Democrats who lied about his health for years.
  This is very much relevant to the future of the Democratic Party, not a "gosh who cares"
  
  That's not what the people who are gleeful about his impending death are downright cheering about. They're gleeful because of their parasocial hatred of the man.
  What you are talking about is an entirely different discussion. You are just shifting the goalposts.
  I hate Biden because he had a major hand in letting Trump win, but I legitimately do not give a fuck that hes dying of cancer, pro or con. He is irrelevant now. And the people invested in this are experiencing their own derangement syndrome, only worse than most cases because Biden is no longer even president.

I've already run into this today and been accused of alienating "Palestine supporters" for suggesting that Joe Biden deserves a bomb dropped on his head.
Fucking civility perverts...
- I'd imagine if one genuinely cares about stopping the genocide they'd be exactly as civil as they'd strategically need to be.
  If your excitement in the cancer diagnosis of a old man is more important to you I get why people are weirded out.
  
  Whilst you are bending over to be polite to people, they are responsible for a genocide. But yes, go you for your brave stance with being civil.
  
  The strategically needed civility is zero
  Civility is oppression

Which one though? Is it Xi Jinping? Putin? Charles Taylor? Bush? Blair? Netanyahu? Ratko Mladic? Jean Kambanda? Samphan? Assad (not that old I suppose)?
There are so many of them
ETA: I see the downvotes. I truly have no fucking clue who you are talking about. Duterte? Lukashenko?
- I think it's Biden
  
  Don’t forget Germany, Italy, Canada, UK, and India. They also provided munitions to Israel after October 7th.
  
  Thanks. Fair enough.
- typical American playing dumb and projecting their crimes on others.
- Most of those names wouldn't make sense for this meme

How Chase Oliver would handle Israel | Centre Stage shorts
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZUKEznaw8aU

Oh, and the USSR—under Stalin—was the first country to recognize the Zionist state of Israel.
- Yeah Biden absolutely could've withheld aid and ended the genocide with 1 phone call but he loves genocide too much
  
  I think it's indifference rather than love, but yeah, he could have done so much with so little to stop it, with little risk of the Democrats losing the White House in 2024. Ditto Harris. (Ditto Trump—health concerns aside, he still has 45 months to at least try to redeem himself a bit.)
- Yeah apparently there was something going on where USSR and Jews had an amicable relationship because of the history of Jewish people always existing in Russia, and them saving them from nazi Germany
  
  Pretty sure Russia was Pogrom king and they wanted to get rid of the Jews too.
  
  Did you get that in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?
- The USSR and Stalin were bad, whats your point? Can you say the same of biden and condemn him?
  
  I sometimes think of this when leftists, particularly tankies, attack (presumably all) non-far-right non-leftists for dithering, or allegedly dithering, on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict;
  but yeah, Joe Biden was/is bad for supporting Israel. Ditto Harris, Bill Maher, and Fetterman.

I can't excuse either genocide or cancer jokes.

If we bully him enough, the genocide will stop.
- He needed to be bullied more while he had power
  
  is that relevant

- Proud of you for maxxing out your moms credit card but Eurovision is not political right?
- You mean the vast majority of Europeans. Not that we didn't know that Europeans and Americans are inherently genocidal here in the rest of the world.

At this point it’s more of an ethnic cleansing.
- It's a genocide.
- It's an overt genocide
- I suppose "ethnic cleansing" is a euphemism for genocide.
- 🤓 akshually its an ethnic cleansing not a genocide.
  As if that makes it any less atrocious.
  
  libs really see themselves as valiant heroes when they needlessly play semantics on the topic of genocide.
- This comment is funny because I don't even know what you're trying to say, but it's so wrong anyway. It used to be a genocide? It's never been a genocide? "At this point"?