I've seen countless posts about the tankie problem here in the lemmyverse
I've seen countless posts about the tankie problem here in the lemmyverse
I'm not sure I've seen any evidence of it existing though, is it just a Boogeyman, or so something that happened a while back? An in joke of some sort?
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Tankie now means the same as Nazi — “a person with a political view I don’t like”.
I’ve seen people called tankies for not toeing the Trotskyist line on Stalin (this btw is the original meaning) but also for being socialists and not really vibing with the newest gender updates.
Also if you’re defederating with other instances over crap like this, why not just host a BBS?
"Gender updates" is the best term i've heard for transitioning in a while. I'm stealing it now, the bigots can't have it.
(also note for anyone reading: the term "tankie" refers to people who embrace authoritarianism and usually specific self-declared "socialist" states repressing civilians, often modern day states that don't even pretend to be socialist like Russia, or the CCP, or North Korea/DPRK, or even just any nation considered "anti-West" regardless of their behaviour or internal political structure x.x
It started when parts of the Communist Party of Great Britain split off from the main party because the main party supported the USSR crushing (with tanks) Hungarian socialists trying to break off from the USSR, for a number of reasons - others were involved too, but the worker councils themselves were major parts of the uprising - see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956 - there were attempts at worker council parlimentary democracy and such, as well as attempts for direct-democracy ^.^
The most recent Tankie Thing is supporting Russia for invading Ukraine, or doing weird enlightened-centrism on it because the USA gives support to Ukraine. More broadly, tankies generally seem to act as if any act by another country is always less bad than the USA, and that only the USA can be imperialist, or various variations on this concept >.<.
It should be noted that the right wing have started to some degree calling all leftists tankies and IMO anyone should reject this attempted co-option of the word because it allows people to falsely conflate leftism with tankie ideologies, even though they are often a small minority in IRL leftist activism, with more common groups being anarchists, democratic socialists, some Marxists (even some Marxist-Leninists, which itself is a controversial term tbh), various libertarian socialisms and communisms, and the odd further-left social democrat ^.^)
even some Marxist-Leninists, which itself is a controversial term tbh
Could you elaborate on this? I have not heard of a controversy about this term
Marxist-Leninists tend to have accidentally read russian / USSR propoganda and will have some sussy takes because of it. Marxist-Leninist youtubers are all tankies or cult-like and it's a bit of a nightmare.
Oh I was reading that as there being some kind of linguistic controversy about the term marxism-leninism xD
Marxism-Leninism as a term was actually created by Stalin as a sort of post-hoc justification thing. It was not made by Lenin, but Stalin. This is linguistic weirdness/controversy, in that the name can serve to hide it's origins from casual readers.
The other commenter has explained the more concrete thing with the fact that lots of them are tankies or proto-tankies ^.^
It’s so interesting how for all your radical posturing you’re still stooges for American imperialism.
Parroting the State Department is so revolutionary.
lol you really think I just parrot the US state department. Honestly this is another thing with tankies, they seem to be incapable of conceiving of geopolitics more complex than "arm of the USA" or "not arm of the USA".
The idea of only partial-alignment even among nominal allies, and complex conflicting geopolitical interests, and the idea of spectrums and complexity beyond "US=bad" "not US=good" is foreign to them, or even criticizing actions of organizations rather than just deciding XYZ organization is evil or good and retroactively justifying or opposing every action they take (let alone consider that an action could have mixed consequences or ethics, both positive or negative ;p).
For example, I am still capable of criticising Ukraine's actions (for example like using cluster bombs, even if last I saw Russia used them first I still am not in favour of them) and the propaganda they produce, or worrying about the effects of the significant debt on Ukrainians and their public services in the form of disaster capitalism, or also generally expressing my issue with States as a whole while still opposing brazen imperialism by Russia ^.^, or criticising the dehumanisation of Russian people in some of the conversations I've seen (especially the people who left Russia, when those are the people least likely to support the Russian Government's actions and are often fleeing persecution themselves e.g. queer Russians).
I just don't usually specifically say these things because in practise the conversations in which it comes up are already horrifically derailed by apologia for Russia's actions and enlightened-centrism, so expressing the nuance is completely useless because the people I'm responding to just hate anything they associate with "the West" (which itself is not necessarily a fully coherent concept) and usually massively whitewash the shit going on in Russia, both about Ukraine and also other things <.<
Unless this is in the context of an actual active political party none of what you wrote matters.
Individuals can be weird and regarded. But you know what? I’d rather organise with someone who incorrectly believes that Stalin did no wrong but is otherwise committed to socialism than you censorious purity testing lot.
I’m a random idiot from Serbia and you’re interrogating me as if I’m not posting on a niche Reddit clone but applying to be in the central committee of your party.
I’m a random idiot from Serbia
You got one part right, finally.
No one's interrogating you bud; you have a persecution complex to rival the christofash's
you have a persecution complex to rival the christofash's.
He already said he's Serbian
Bazinga
You sound like a boris and natalia impression.
...you’re still stooges for American imperialism.
Says the stooge for authoritarian genocide?
Learn a little dialectics so you can understand the concept of critical support, redfash
Oh you sussed me out inspector. I’m a total “redfash”.
I don’t have to justify myself to you.
And this whole thread, this swarm of bullshit over just saying the word “tankie” is tired and overused.
Just makes you look totally off your rocker collectively.
Classic tankie whataboutism.
"Uh you didn't explicitly denounce the west in your comment so you are an imperial parrot!"
Holy shit man
Tankie now means the same as Nazi — “a person with a political view I don’t like”.
There are actual neo-Nazis — yes, I mean people who venerate Hitler, use Nazi Party symbols, advocate antisemitism and genocide — actively involved in politics in many countries, including the US, Germany, and Russia. Do you deny this?
Which part of the parent comment implied that there aren't actual Nazis?
There are also people who do not fall into that category yet still get called Nazis by political opponents.
Why would you bring up this "test" statement?
If someone claimed that people just say "theft" to mean "transactions I don't like", that would be denying the existence of actual theft.
If someone claimed that people just say "slavery" to mean "jobs I don't like", that would be denying the existence of actual slavery.
Same goes here.
Pointing out denialism is usually only a problem to the people engaged in it, and the wrongdoers they're defending.
I’ve noticed this interrogative style more and more in my runs in with the woke, both offline and online.
So my question to you is — what the fuck do you think you’re doing?
This doesn’t make you look strong or confident. It makes you sound like a soyboy.
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
Glowie spotted
I am absolutely not, you can trust me.
On a completely unrelated note, do you know where I can get schematics for 3-D-printed guns?
So do you deny it?
Using "woke" as a negative and using the term "soyboy" at all are both huge red flags.
Gives off "alpha male" incel vibes.
As Wilhelm Reich noticed back in the '40s, many fascists are psychologically incapable of consensual sexual relations.
we're soyboying 'round the internet to have fun and get intellectually challenged
Are you an Andrew Tate fan?
Oh no, the genocide supporters were defederated. Oh no, the horror!
Lol, cope
Tankies aren't just politically sussy but are often intentionally inflammatory trolls.