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  • shaded boardwalk is the optimal walking surface

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  • also to preempt pls nobody do the intellectually dishonest thing of pretending me following this line of argument means im in love with eugenics and am here to argue for more eugenics or that i just dont think eugenics is such a bad thing after all thnk u

    wow you did the thing well done

    you made a bad argument, it's okay

    if your argument was good you wouldn't be working so hard to avoid defending it like you are

  • All of these are fairly straightforward and easy to understand, it just takes a while to get into the nitty gritty

    i feel like everything's "easy to understand" if you assume infinite time to explain it, but for the sake of argument, let's agree that these in fact "easy to understand"

    in which case, the ideas behind pre-natal scanning and graduate family stimulus are also easy to understand, so we haven't really moved anywhere.

    this post still doesn't make any case for marxist ideals being sound other than "people like them when they hear them without the label". which i'm arguing (via the use of the provided two examples) is also true for eugenics.

    and if "people like the ideas when they hear them without the label" is justification for ideas being good, then eugenics must be good, but we know eugenics isn't good, so it's not a good justification

    so the post doesn't make a good argument for marxism being good

    and we already know the post is attempting to be an argument for why marxism is good, because you already acknowledged it's making the case that "people have a negative connotations about marxism", and combined with the point about nazis from earlier you enjoyed so much, that's sufficient to show that it's attempting to be an argument for why marxism is good

    Ah, "the trains ran on time." We both know that's not Nazism.

    what are you talking about? why are you trying to bring nazis into everything now?

    (also, "trains ran on time" is mussolini, who was a fascist, not a nazi)

  • I dunno, why bring up the Nazis as though they had popular ideas?

    i didn't and i've already clarified that?

    i'm not sure what more there is to say on this

    What parts of Marxism do you want to chop off?

    if you're referring to everything then that would include stuff like das kapital which i don't think you can reasonably refer to as "easy to understand"

    "philosophical grounding in Dialectical and Historical Materialism" also seems like it would be a fairly hard thing for the average person to understand

    also, marx didn't invent communism, so to say communism is contained within marxism is incorrect

    the opening of the communist manifesto literally references the fact that european powers were already trying to "exorcise" the idea from the continent at the time

    Yes, people generally don't agree with the ideas posed by Nazism.

    nazism proposed pre-natal scanning and graduate family planning stimulus? that's news to me

  • i wouldn't say you're working particularly hard given that all you've done is issue a blanket "no", and cowbee seems to be coming at the problem from the angle that i'm secretly the ghost of joseph mccarthy

    i've given you two examples where i think most people would agree with the concepts of eugenics before being told it's eugenics, and so far nobody's disagreed with them? what's your issue? that you don't think most people would agree with them, or that you don't think that that fact draws enough of a parallel between eugenics and the post?

  • No, it was brought up to draw equivalence to Marxism, don't play coy.

    cool ur jets buddy

    it wasn't, and doesn't even really make sense when read through that lens

    what kind of person comes into a thread and posts a pro-communism video clip and then angrily equates marxism to nazism?

    No, Marxism is popular, it's just sold as different names.

    that's describing the same sentiment i just expressed using different words

    Is there some other kind we need to worry about here that's hard to understand?

    honestly the term "marxism" is nebulous enough that just deciding on what counts as "in-scope" is kind of non-trivial

    are we talking about the economic theory? marxist communism? the whole body of marx's work?

    what definition are you using?

    No, you pretended the average person would.

    i'm fairly confused what you're trying to say here

    are you saying that that, for those two concepts, you don't think you could pitch the basic ideas behind them in a way such that the average person would agree?

  • Good thing Nazism isn't sound, nor does it sound good, even without the label.

    it was brought up to explain why "it's just saying it has negative connotations" doesn't make something neutral

    Marxism is popular and easily understood, yet red scare propaganda and anticommunism has given it a negative connotation

    you're kind of just imagining a different post at this point?

    this post very specifically makes the point that marxism isn't popular, but its ideas are. that's like the whole point of the post

    also, "easily understood" what? we haven't even defined what sort of marxism we're talking about here

    it says nothing about the reasons for negative connotations; you're adding that yourself

    Eugenics [is] not popular

    again, i've given two examples where the average person would probably support eugenics-in-description-only

  • "people have a negative connotation to the word Marxism" absolutely has baked-in implications, and an argument left unsaid, even in total isolation

    if i say to you "people think the word nazi has negative connotations", then even with no other context then obviously you'd conclude that i'm a nazi freak

    the post doesn't make any justification for the ideas being sound and good, it says they sound good

    i don't think this post's subtext is as simple as the interpretation you're providing

  • i've given two examples where i think the average person would come down on the side of "let's do some eugenics" until being told "haha you just agreed to do some eugenics"

    the problem with the post is that if you boil it down, it becomes "things that sound good on the surface are automatically good", which doesn't hold