@knexcar @throws_lemy @Clent Maybe you won't face a problem with law enforcement caused by some company sharing your data with the law enforcement. On an individual level, yeah sure, you probably won't get affected. But on a societal level, do we accept having some people's lives ruined by these techniques? I don't think so.
In general, is it acceptable that we give some for-profit companies full access to our data so they can manipulate our buying behaviors with their targeted ads?
@governorkeagan @throws_lemy Privacy Guides has a set of objective criteria to judge a browser's security and privacy. People tend to hate Brave for reasons unrelated to security and privacy. Like the CEO's politics, crypto (and recently AI) integration in the browser, some shady history about injecting referral codes, etc.
Personally, I wish I could find an alternative that is as good as Brave. Until then, I'll keep using it as it is perfect for my needs.
@progettarsi Then they shouldn't publicize their app as a private messaging app, since they have access to our supposedly private conversations. That is actively harming their users because they're giving them a false sense of security. I have some IRL friends who think Telegram is more private than WhatsApp (which is obviously wrong because WhatsApp at least uses E2EE **by default**) due to this false publicity.
@bastion > message database of **decrypted** messages that signal keeps around to show your history
What are you talking about ? Where did you get this from ?
@progettarsi > the sites requires subscribtion to read the article
Here's a link without a pay wall
https://web.archive.org/web/20230207144839/https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311
> itโs normal that if you do something anti ethical you donโt deserve the privacy the app offered to you
This contradicts what you said earlier : "a lot of illegal things happens on telegram proving that maybe their privacy is better than you think"
@progettarsi @Albin9326 Telegram did actually share user info with authorities:
https://www.livelaw.in/news-updates/after-court-order-telegram-discloses-phone-numbers-ip-addresses-of-users-accused-of-sharing-infringing-material-215311
https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/telegram-reportedly-gives-user-data-to-german-authorities
Yet they still claim that they "have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments".
@bastion Anonymity is useful, sure. But if you're going to use an IM app like the majority of people do, you're going to use it to contact friends and family, which means that the account isn't anonymous.
You should also know that Session lacks forward secrecy (a very important feature imo).
@bastion @Infiltrated_ad8271 But Session doesn't support SMS too. Why do you consider it superior if that's the reason you dislike Signal ?
@HughJanus @Hazzia they built a Signal-like IM app as a proof of concept. It's called VeilidChat.
https://veilid.com/chat/
