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  • We only have a few rules here ... one of them is "be nice to each other." So knock this off.

  • Finally, an answer!
  • We only have a few rules here ... one of them is "be nice to each other." So knock this off.

  • In case anyone missed it, here's Joel's post from the end of the campaign

    Greetings, backers.

    Well, we’ve come to the end of the month, and the end of the Turkey Day Marathon and this campaign.

    While we’re incredibly grateful for all of the support, enthusiasm, and encouragement, it’s clear we’ve fallen short of our goal this time.

    First, to be clear, please understand that that means that no one will be charged anything, and we will not be collecting anything that you pledged to this campaign , since the agreement was that we’d only collect funds if we reached our minimum goal. No charges will be put on anyone’s credit cards.

    Second, and more important, please know that we’re incredibly grateful for all of your input, feedback, concerns and questions, and are thinking about all the suggestions you have made over the past month.

    One silver lining is that the continued support for this campaign, and the show, may have opened up some new conversations about potential partnerships and fundraising that could be key in getting the show another season.

    We’ll spend some time now exploring those, and working to integrate all of the feedback and suggestions we’ve heard from you, and will follow up again next year, Lord willing and the creek don’t rise, when we’ve had a chance to regroup and have more to share downstream.

    For now, whether you pledged or not, please accept our thanks and gratitude for your ongoing dedication and investment in MST3K.

    We’re proud that the show continues to mean so much, to so many, and will keep working to figure out a path forward so that we can hopefully continue to #MakeMoreMST3K.

    Until then, have a wonderful holiday season, and thanks again for all of your support.

    Cheers and Thanks,

    Joel and Team MST3K

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    Let's Make MST3K Season 14
  • If anyone is interested in the math of this, meaning, what you get out of it for what you put in, here's my way of thinking.

    I look at new MST3K in the vein of RiffTrax. Not beholden to a network and therefore not getting production funding either, so they have to directly charge for their output.

    In the case of RiffTrax, they charge about $12 for a full-length HD VOD release and about $2 for a short. Carting those numbers over to this campaign, let's see what we get.

    If the lowest goal is reached ... That's 6 episodes and 6 shorts for a total of $84. (There's also the "enhanced" older episodes, but as those won't be available for download, I'm ignoring them for the moment.)

    If the middle goal is reached ... That's 9 episodes and 9 shorts; a total of $126.

    If the top goal is reached ... 12 episodes, 12 shorts; $168.

    Which goal will be reached? Who can say? The season 13 Kickstarter finished with $6.5 million. That's over the middle goal but shy of the top goal by almost a million. I think reaching the middle goal is very likely with the top being a bit of squeaker. (Just my thoughts.)

    Conclusion? Donating at the $85 level is simply a bargain. You get each of the episodes and shorts as a download, PLUS access to the Gizmoplex which -- I'm hoping -- will include a ton of livestreaming events and those were a highlight of season 13 for me. (Oh yeah, and all those "surgically enhanced" episodes, too.)

  • New RiffTrax VOD: "Truth or Dare?" (Mike, Kevin, Bill; 1986)
    www.rifftrax.com Truth or Dare

    When we say we’re riffing a movie called Truth or Dare your mind might go to the black & white documentary full of naughty images of Madonna and her backup dancers. Hey, get your mind out of the gutter! And into the totally different gutter that is THIS Truth or Dare. The truth is, this is the k...

    Truth or Dare
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    New RiffTrax VOD: "The X From Outer Space" (Mike, Kevin, Bill; 1967)
    www.rifftrax.com The X From Outer Space

    An intrepid crew of astronauts is headed to Mars when they encounter a hidden menace: spores. Fortunately, the spores quickly realize how dull of a villain they are and decide to mutate into the terrifying rubber kaiju known as The X! The X, who resembles what the offspring might look like if Gonzo ...

    The X From Outer Space
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    New RiffTrax VOD: "The Careless Years" (Bridget and Mary Jo; 1957)
    www.rifftrax.com The Careless Years

    A classic Romeo & Juliet situation that brings blandness to a whole new level! The Careless Years is the story of two high schoolers from opposite sides of “the track” who wash dishes together. Minutes later, they’re planning to elope, so they can have socially acceptable marital relations. Arth...

    The Careless Years
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    New RiffTrax VOD: "Fatal Combat" (Mike, Kevin and Bill; 1995)
    www.rifftrax.com Fatal Combat

    An eccentric billionaire is ripping off The Running Man, but he didn’t count on one man ruining the party: John Stoneman. No, not John Ryan, that’s a character played by the same actor in Street Law. And not John Stone, he’s from Stone Cold. John Stoneman is a professor of “Warriorism.” This so...

    Fatal Combat
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    New RiffTrax VOD: "The Man Without a Body" (Bridget & Mary Jo; 1957)
    www.rifftrax.com The Man Without a Body

    A wealthy businessman discovers he has a brain tumor and seeks medical help. What should he do next? 1. Contact the Mayo Clinic? 2. Connect with family and friends? 3. Seek out a scientist who along with a lovelorn assistant is experimenting with transplanting monkey heads, then, fly to France to di...

    The Man Without a Body
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    New RiffTrax VOD: "Charlie Chan: Dark Alibi" (Mike, Kevin, Bill; 1946)
    www.rifftrax.com Charlie Chan: Dark Alibi

    It’s just common sense: when you want to cast Sherlock Holmes, you scope out the actors in the London’s West End. And when you want to cast a famous Chinese detective, you get a guy from Missouri. Sydney Toler stars as Charlie Chan in a performance that Mickey Rooney called “way too subtle.” Dispens...

    Charlie Chan: Dark Alibi
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    New RiffTrax VOD: "Bog" (Mike, Kevin, Bill; 1979)
    www.rifftrax.com Bog

    It’s just a typical day of Dynamite Fishing on a rural Wisconsin lake when something shocking happens: the yokel fisherman DOESN’T blow his hand off! But then he’s quickly eaten by a bog monster, so his afternoon is a wash. Awakened by the dynamite blast, the monster terrifies the community by cutti...

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    PRODIGY's cancellation may have been the tip of the iceberg: Paramount as We Know It Has 2 Years Left, at Most — Analyst
    www.indiewire.com Paramount as We Know It Has 2 Years Left, at Most — Analyst

    A leading Wells Fargo analyst says that the company leaders can wait or get on with it, but a break-up is inevitable.

    Paramount as We Know It Has 2 Years Left, at Most — Analyst

    That article speculates that elements of Paramount (including CBS Studios, which produces Trek these days) could be sold off to other companies, perhaps even Netflix. This, however, doesn't get into the hairy discussion surrounding rights to the franchise.

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    The trailer for Richard Hatch's proposed 1999 film/series "Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming"

    It features multiple characters and actors from the original series and a thirty-eight minute version of the film was made and shown at various conventions. More info here.

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    New RiffTrax VOD: "Inspector Mom" (Bridget Jones & Mary Jo Pehl; 2006)
    www.rifftrax.com Inspector Mom

    Winnie Cooper is all growed up and now a suburban mom who just can’t help herself when it comes to solving local crimes. The Wonder Years’ Danica McKellar is Maddie Monroe, a former newspaper reporter now raising her children in a deceptively bucolic neighborhood - but philandering, Mary Kay parties...

    If you haven't yet, Bridget and Mary Jo's riffs at RiffTrax are great.

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    The BSG That Almost Was: 2001's Fox TV series produced by Bryan Singer

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    That's a Cylon from the would-be series.

    In 2000, Singer and producer Tom DeSanto began negotiating with Universal and by 2001, they were hard at work on a new Galactica series that would have aired on Fox.

    This series would have been a direct continuation of the 1978 show, set twenty years into that series' future and ignoring Galactica 1980. Deals were in place for original cast members such as Dirk Benedict (Starbuck) and Herbert Jefferson Jr. (Boomer). Sets and props were at least partially built and designs were well-fleshed out, including that of the above Cylons.

    Story-wise, we know what was up. I guess I'll say spoiler alert, but since this is a show from over twenty years ago that never got made and whatever we get next will likely be radically different, ... I can't imagine that you really need a spoiler alert. But still. Oh, and you might be a bit surprised how much sounds like the Moore & Eick BSG.

    Two years after the episode "Hand of God," Galactica's fleet finds Admiral Cain and the Battlestar Pegasus, leading to a mammoth battle that destroys their Cylon pursuers once and for all. Unfortunately, Cain, Pegasus and Apollo were all lost in the engagement. Some years later, Adama passes away and Commander Tigh and the fleet weary of their search for Earth and decide to settle upon habitable asteroids abundant with resources which they called New Caprica. Elsewhere, the Cylons engaged in a civil war between two factions: those who embraced their free will and those who believed it should be eliminated. In the end, the mechanical Cylons decided to incorporate many facets of humanity, thanks to their assimilation of Baltar and became all the more deadly for it.

    That's just the backstory.

    So, in the main story of the show, the commander of Galactica is Boxey, now called Orin (and not Troy). The president, Mara, and the council decide that after so many years of peace, Galactica should be deactivated. It is and, of course, this is when the Cylons strike. As the Galactica is about to be destroyed once and for all, the Cylon Central Controller orders a retreat. They then communicate with the Colonials and order them to surrender.

    Orin refuses, of course, and launches a bunch of new Vipers. They fight well, but the new Cylons are too strong. In the battle, a water ship is damaged and a large chunk of ice forms. The Colonials push it into the Basestar and it's destroyed. Their cover blown, the Colonials again gather up a ragtag fleet and search for Earth.

    Epilogue: on the Cylon homeworld, we see their mechanized might and then we see their Central Controller: Richard Frakkin' Hatch! And his eyes glow Cylon red! Da-da-dummmm!

    ! A Cylon suit that was built.

    ! One of two Vipers on their way to completion.

    ! Galactica's large central bridge console set.

    So, what happened?

    After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Bryan Singer departed the production to work on X2: X-Men United and Fox passed on the series in favor of Joss Whedon's Firefly. They felt the story of a sneak attack was a bit too close to home. This iteration of Battlestar Galactica was, for all intents and purposes, dead and all of those sets, props, costumes and more were trashed. Literally.

    If you're interested in more info, check out the Archive.org version of Tombs of Kobol. Those pages include dozens more photos, a more detailed breakdown of the story, plus an interview with Bryan Singer's producing partner on the show, Tom DeSanto.

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    Next livestream from The Mads: "A Night of Shorts XII," July 11
    www.eventbrite.com The Mads Are Back: A Night of Shorts XII | Three Year Anniversary Show!

    Trace Beaulieu and Frank Conniff (The Mads From MST3K) present an online live-riff on an all-new batch of bizarre vintage shorts!

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