What the hell? You provide no material argument and instead give empty snarky responses and expect them just to understand your point at all? Lazy and rude, get over yourself and stop being so easily placated by people telling you a cop and politician sanctioned parade might not have been the most effective and well planned protest, this is barely a step above the ppl running to tail ilhan omar rn god amerikkka is cooked
It shouldnt be this hard, but americans are gonna be americans
They said that they were benefited from the internal policing and personally thanked them for working with them? Like... I don't even know what you're trying to say that the police are lying to syke us on the marshals? That's beyond reason, I really don't think I can convince you
You're making the same argument people make when we say America is bad and they say "You're saying everything America does is bad, like the meme we shouldn't take seriously". There's no essence to my comment that makes it not worthy of being taken seriously, I'm much more worried if we're not taking it seriously even if it isn't true we need to be critical not dismissing anything outright because of the way it sounds
It's not smearing, I'm calling out individual actions that are collaborative with cops. I genuinely believe it's because americans are generally fascists with more sympathy towards cops and peace keepers than the victims of genocide and those that know we need to do much more to stop it. Also, as a movement with a history of infiltration and co-optation when did you get the idea in your head that fedjacketing is a bad thing?
Helping the cops id people is not an incorrect statement though? They're helping the cops contain the protest, letting them stand back and do their job where theyre inevitably IDing people especially the people the marshalls are physically singling out for doing "bad protesting"??? Shows a lot you care more about the technical definition of ID-ing than the overall evidence towards collaboration with fascist cops
Again, kettling protesters is a tactic the police use for the purpose (among many other things) of restricting your movement to get pics/identifying information to ID you and doing that to actionists in front of kops is going to produce some door knocks in the future. Regardless the definition of what is and isn't "helping IDing" we might disagree on fine, I feel like I've seen this lead to investigations enough to say that but whatever.
That aside police collaboration is a theme considering the statement that a protester made as well and the fact they felt comfortable to say it (with good reason it seems). That person is a pro-cop snitch that actively is posing a danger to a comrade, what should the purpose of a marshall be other than to keep fascists out? The answer is to be the peace police clearly and prevent actions like this in a way that we'll argue about "the right way to protest" here instead of rightfully blaming the kkkops and everything they represent.
The heart of what I'm trying to say is this, if this kind of peaceful protest isn't producing any material change and is actively preventing more radical actions from occurring, maybe it, its marshalls and organizers, and fascist attendees are doing more to prevent the movement from progressing than helping it.
I do not have solidarity with Amerikkkan "leftists" whatever that term means and I sure as hell will criticize them for the endless list of things they do because they were brought up in the fourth fucking reich. This person asked the armed vanguard of genocide to take a man trying to do something the protest should be about and the marshall didn't throw that person out. The marshall and seemingly majority of the protesters felt closer aligned with the kop than the actionist, and there's nothing more symbolic of amerikkkan "leftism" than that
Kettling and restricting the movement of protesters in the direct line of site of kkkops does help them ID you, and shit like this would be truly unacceptable to a marshal trying to keep comrades safe
Sorry for the Twitter link but this is also predictable as shit. Every protest where someone can yell at a cop to "come get" someone and not get thrown out at the MINIMUM for it is a controlled resistance rally with more fascists than not. Seen this happen a lot at encampments with unelected leaders propped up by orgs like the palestinian youth movement and the tahrir coalition where they literally work with police while spouting "We keep us safe" as if they know what it means
If a genocide can't push America beyond the baby steps it's been walking for decades now I really struggle to empathize with anyone that thinks protests should continue to be peaceful. I don't think there's any pride in a protest that serves as an impotent release of our rage that we should be doing much more with, it's like we treat americans as if they're taking their first steps everytime they walk and are surprised when the don't move onto running
Most of the people I've met at the encampments got nothing materially changed and felt like they won when biden dropped out. They still condemn hamas, and now condemn people that don't want to vote for kamala because you're anti-black and homophobic (lots of queer once friends are now happy and PROUD to be pro-genocide fascists in my blue state). I really feel like these imperial core protests especially the ones centering the particularly privledged (new york college students) are there to give an illusion that we're helping so when shaprio gets dropped in favor of walz or in the future when hamas eliminates israel we can say our tactics won out because we somehow weakened the zionist entity by going camping for a few days. IMO the definition of controlled resistance going off of the great exodus of anti-imperialist-curious becoming full blown fascist democrats that's happened since Kamala's became the nominee and the general aura of impermeable american unseriousness that makes so suggesting any actual actions in these encampments labels you a wrecker and got so many people thrown out for daring to suggest we not let zionists roam the encampment
I just don't understand why the marshals actively stopped them and helped the cops ID them instead of keeping them away from the rest of the protest. It's all about the diversity of tactics for these organizers until someone tries to do something effective, and if there wasn't active peace policing or infantile organizers "leading" maybe there could've been more genuine unrest that was much more unpredictable to the DNC attendees at the very least. You are right in that the action is adventurist but I have so much more empathy with them than the organizers that think peaceful protests are anything but a spit in the face to the gravity of the situation
The only thing I've seen out of this protest has been a deeply unserious person flying an anarcho-brat flag and organizers/members of related orgs (PSL, FRSO) celebrating their wide turnout despite little to none material gains. It really feels like protests are the husk of what was once popular mobilization that represented a genuine threat to the ruling classes ability to ignore the popular masses. It's not nothing, but this is barely the baby steps of a real movement and we should all be deeply ashamed we aren't doing more 11 months into a genocide, not actively helping police ID those wanting to escalate!
I've met wreckers that look to escalate in inappropriate scenarios, it's never good to get arrested but I've been following this whole discourse on twitter and this line of "wreckers looking to get symbolically arrested" is completely detached from what actually happened and what people are actually advocating for (ANY kind of genuine disruptment or even threat of disruptment) and feels, ironically, more wrecker than what's being accused
Interesting, I assume the siding with America in fighting communist Afghanistan was for the same reason then? This is a blind spot for me if you know any good books pls recommend 🙏
blue check was given for free and with no choice to a lot of accounts including this one btw
Good post, as a queer person this is an interesting thing to talk about with other queer leftist/commie-curious people though. Rare Stalin L that we'll learn and be better from.
It drives a wedge between the working class and allows Mexicans to be exploited for slave labor in agricultural work under the threat of deportation of them and their families. It also gives a ton of false excuses for the failures of capitalism, I remember recently Musk has been pushing the whole "Illegals are taking all the affordable housing" thing.