My grandma used to work at a Catholic charity to distribute food for people without resources.
There were a few Muslims who requested food from there, and they always complained that the meat wasn't halal. Their very Catholic response was that they treated everyone the same, and weren't going to change the food they offered just because some Muslims were complaining.
Then again, quite very Catholicly, they didn't offer any meat during Lent to anyone.
I just treat that shit like an allergy.
If you are getting help from someone you shouldn't complain about their preferences.
In my country they don't pay property taxes, and often use charity as a justification. So it's debatable if their help with strings attached is a net positive.
Give me your wallet and I'll buy you an acceptable dinner with it.
I don't get your point. They give food away for free and they choose what and when. What's wrong with that, exactly? That their choices correlate with their religion? Well, duh.
The story is illustrative of the failure of private charities as public institutions.
We've got two sets of dietary restrictions, one of which the Catholics disregard and the other they faithfully apply. This makes their charity functionally inaccessible to the chunk of their neighborhood that's Muslim.
This recalls another common instance in church charities, wherein recipients are pressured into prayer before receiving aid. As many of these charities - particularly in the wake of the Bush 43 era "Faith Based Initiatives" charity privatization initiative - obtain their aid from the federal government, what you have is secular aid filtered through sectarian institutions as a means of cultivating particular ideological views.
What’s wrong with that, exactly?
Set aside the generic legalist "Seperation of Church and State" 1st amendment guidelines, wherein residents aren't obligated to hold religious views in order to access government services.
The fundamental problem with a state sponsored religious charity is that it polarizes the community into economic haves and have-nots, based on religious beliefs. And that foments discord, bigotry, and ultimately violence.
They're imposing their customs based on dogma on vulnerable people with little to no capacity to choose, with no larger basis than "it's what I was indoctrinated to believe". It's doubly shameful because this is a country that has been trying to unshackle itself from the legacy of a Fascist Catholic dictatorship, the Inquisition, and the forced expulsion/conversion of Jews and Muslims.
Like I get not providing food you disapprove of. Food Not Bombs is supposed to be vegan food, but also when helping people, make reasonable accommodations to ensure you’re meeting needs they have. Haram meat given to a Muslim is useless, you’re better off giving that meat to someone else. No matter how many cheeseburgers you give a vegan, you won’t fill their stomach.
In fact this is one of the issues with charity as a concept. Many who do it expect gratitude for whatever they give and see requests for something that would help better or to stop giving things that will only go to waste as being a choosy beggar. When aiding people you need to ask them what they need, otherwise any help you provide is accidental.
Which religion said I can’t have sex with an ice cream cone in a park?
Because that cops was an asshole.
The Bible even says it's better for a man to put his seed in an ice cream cone than it is to let it fall to the ground. Though they may have just been talking about the ice cream cone. 🤔
"my religion forbids me from talking to someone who has ice cream unless i also have ice cream, so shut your fucking mouth."
I do have an amount of pity for people with extreme religious views. I remember talking to an atheist friends extremely religious mother who was trying to come to to terms with the fact her daughter was going to go to hell one day.
Imagine walking through the park and seeing someone about to eat an ice cream that you know has a powerful psychoactive substance in that will kick in after few years that tricks the persons brain into believing they're being tortured until their brain turns to mush.
I absolutely don't agree with people spreading their religious doctrine, especially when unwelcome, but many of those people could be considered victims to that choice and don't deserve to be antagonised.
All religions are cults in one way or the other, the followers and believers are all victims of their religion and those running their particular sect, but just like we see in other cultic situations the victims often become abusers themselves and many reach sunk cost fallacy levels where they refuse to believe they were duped because of how much time and energy the devoted to a lie. It’s tragic and horrifying
WHY ARENT YOU BEING TOLERANT?
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I get the sentiment, but if you eat ice cream on Mondays you are just evil. Ice cream clearly is a Tuesday treat. /s
I mean, this but its unironic. "Eating ice cream on mondays in the park is murder and if I catch you doing it I'm going to treat you like I would if I saw you committing a murder".
I don't really like this comic, because it trivializes what is generally seen as a serious medical issue. A ban on ice cream would be vastly preferable to a ban on abortion, as you're not going to die from a lack of ice cream. This feels more akin to a Christian Scientist passing a statewide ban on blood transfusions.
Fuck a ban on ice cream, fuck a ban on abortion, I say ban BANS!
Why is Al Sharpton telling people not to eat ice cream?
Cause it ain’t right
Fuck Al Sharpton.
Sincerely, every Transy Student that attended his talk on our campus in 1998 where he accused us of being UK, for 45 minutes straight.
Whatever religion he's in, he's probably the only member.
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Uhm... nope.
To your religion is yours, to my religion is mine.
There were Muslim fundies in my area who shouted at participants in an lgbt parade.
That being said, if only what you say is that easy then we would not have had wars in the name of religion.
Do you live in the real world?
It’s is illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your back pocket on Sundays in the state of New York
Well, that certainly covers Christianity, Islam, and some select groups of Judaism. It's not really fair to make such a generalization when it kind of only applies to religions that hold a majority in their respective nations.
nah, this is how vegan treat others
Silly strawman caricature of reasonable argumentation.
"Well I think its OK for me to beat my wife, so you shouldn't mind me doing so."
Quite different in this case, yet it follows a similar logic. Things can unaffect you diferectly, yet still be wrong.
Using the obscene ice cream example is a unsophisticated attempt to discredit this line of reasoning.
“Well I think its OK for me to beat my wife, so you shouldn’t mind me doing so.”
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Husband: I consent
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Jesus: I consent
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Wife: I don't
Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?
Things can unaffect you diferectly, yet still be wrong.
What would you consider a hospital staffer refusing to provide medical aid to a woman in the middle of a deadly miscarriage, because the hospital administrator is afraid of being sued or arrested for performing an abortion?
What would you consider a hospital > > staffer refusing to provide medical aid to a woman in the middle of a deadly miscarriage, because the hospital administrator is afraid of being sued or arrested for performing an abortion?
In that situation it is clearly wrong not to help, because in the case of a miscarriage the fetus would die also presumably. And many Christians would agree.
But for cases of no risk to the mother the morality of facilitating an abortion can be more dubious. The conservatives certainly have a strong position, even if I disagree with it.
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Ok so let's use a real example. Many Christians are anti-LGBT based on their interpretations of the Bible and their moral beliefs.
So should we ban homosexuality?
Also your argument is just as flawed. The average person has a moral objection to domestic violence. This comic is referring to when there's a difference between the average person's moral beliefs and the religious ones, especially the radical zealot's belief
The point of the cartoon is to extend the argument to the most extreme example. You're missing the entire message. It's not that belief is unacceptable and no one can have shared beliefs. It's, taken to the extreme, religious belief extends beyond what most would consider reasonable.
