Exclusive: Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump

Me too Bernie, me too.

They don't understand that Trump is just as pro-Israel as Biden, if not even more so considering he moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

I fucking hate, and from the bottom of my heart, how Biden is funding the genocide in Palestine, but I'm still going to vote for him this time, because we just can't have a person like Trump in the white house, period. I still can't figure out how he got in the first time. I'd never let my 10 year old lead a country, yet we let Trump do it for four fucking years. I, too, am sick of this "the lesser of two evils" bullshit, but this time I'm giving it a pass because of Trump. We already have a crumbling country and can't afford another four years of this dude.

When I was young my parents introduced me to some old school Communists; folks who'd fought in the Spanish Civil War and been blacklisted in the 1950s.

One of the stories they told was that back in 1968 the oldtimers were warning people to vote for Hubert Humphrey because they knew how bad Nixon would be, Too many young folks then thought 'both sides are the same.'

Hi. I’m not American. But we all understand Trump’s threats. Or the inherent threat he poses. I think I speak for the world.

I’m more worried about a system that let someone like that get this far!

there is an understandable wave of nihilism manifesting in the younger generations that will probably persist for as long as they live. i don't imagine the united states will stop producing nihilists for a long time as the circumstances are not projected to change

I almost wish Jimmy Carter would run for a second term. 99? 82? Age is just a number now apparently anyway lol

Bernie is right.

But but but I won't vote in protest!1 That will definitely make them listen! (/s)

PSA: Not voting means you have the relevance of an old man yelling at a cloud.

You move the Overton window by voting. You want policy #857? You have to vote for policy #1 first. You have to walk before you can run.

The Unconcerned: "Orange man bad"

Me: YES! Orange man VERY bad, glad we were able to dumb it down for you in a way you can understand it.

Personally, i'm worried that the biden administration is underestimating the electoral importance of his decision to continue supporting Israel's genocide against Palestinians.

I think it would be helpful if people tranformed their concerns from meaningless doomposting to active political effort.

Cause the first is almost as bad as not worrying at all.

That sound... As if millions of "muh corrupt DNC" trolls cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...

I'm not worried. I'm just utterly disappointed in the younger generation. Not in the whole typical way you'd expect older generations to be towards the younger ones.

It's more along the sense of "put down your fucking memes and jokes for abit and realize the reality that's around you" deal. Because we're now seeing the Onion practiced in our daily lives, we can't make the shit up that is actively happening in real time. And it doesn't affect just me, it affects you too.

We can't be putting off this shit forever and sit there going "aww, I just hope it gets better" naturally.

Because let's put it this way, say you don't vote this general election and Biden wins. Okay, cool, we've dodged Trump. But know that in the next 4 years, Biden is not eligible to be re-elected so good on you to no longer see him on the ballot, but you'll never know who could be next after him and there isn't a lot of strong favorability for his VP either. Trump for all we know, is likely going to run until he dies, so he's going to be trying again and again so long as he's living and so long as his voter base is there to back him.

But even when he dies, god knows what the Republicans will try propping up. We've got a bit of a glimpse of that when known fascists like DeSantis tried running for presidency. The only reason him and other candidates has lost is because they can't touch Trump. But when Trump does die, you know they'll be back again.

My point is we need to keep Republican interests the fuck away. They're nothing but destruction. How much evidence do you need before you see that? It's all fun and games to you with your jokes and memes until you're on the internet bitching and griping for why you think shit hits the fan or why you're struggling to make a living.

as a black person i'm worried that donald trump's batting average isn't showing the potential it should be this season. he should spend more time in the cages.

Recently came across project 2025, which is a plan to upend the government for trump to run it like a dictatorship. It's actually frightening to even entertain the possibility. And I'm guessing it's derived from how putin got to his dictatorship position, because trump really likes putin and met with him too often.

Its called apathy.

Make everyones vote count (mandatory voting) and all of a sudden it matters

I'll say, the guy is taking abortion rights away.

I wish less people were so jaded about voting...

It ain’t just young people. I’ve got a lot of lefty friends and family who have been lost and are willing to gamble on turnip because they think there is no way to handle things worse than we are now.

Man, I'd been ignoring the dread and focussing on the cool parts of the future that are coming, but this thread mamaged to break through my shield and fill me with a decent amount of WW3 dread

My early-20's cousin-in-law the other day said something like "I don't want to vote for Biden or Trump, they're both the same". He's getting locked up for killing me, because I died when I heard him say that. (I went on to explain to him that they are NOT the same.)

Them run Bernie. You aren't that much older than Biden. You are clearly more with it and cogent and your foreign policy is better by miles.

Balance:

a) damage done by another Trump presidency

vs

b) damage done by demonstrating to the ruling class that you'll give them whatever they want so long as you genuinely fear one of the candidates

Tough call. I wish each and every one of you who has a say in this clairvoyance beyond mine.

This mf spittin

Someone ask the old fella to do a press release or a road map presentation to convince us all

We may be well and truly fucked.

We’re not. Biden is.

If he actually was worried he’d look at the polls and call for a ceasefire.

Young people? How about Democrat party leadership? If you need certain people to vote for you, then you have to earn their votes! How is this so hard to understand?

Old fuckers shouldn't have put us in this situation.

Or maybe people are overestimating his survivability in the hardest job in the planet. My prediction is no matter the victor, by January of 2029, the outgoing president will neither be Trump or Biden.

"young people" just don't care about our little shiny voting spectacle... idk why...

I've come to the conclusion from this thread and others that liberals either don't believe or can't comprehend that leftists consider Palestinians to be actual human beings whose lives are inherently valuable. The way they see it, we're whiny children throwing a fit because we were refused a puppy. I keep seeing people talk about opposition to genocide as "an individual want" or "being upset that you got bread instead of a cake," and so on, characterizing us as selfishly prioritizing our individual preferences, because in their minds it's just about us feeling bad when we see dying Palestinians, and not about the Palestinians themselves.

Opposition to genocide is a hard red line and a fundamental moral principle. It's not a want, it's not a preference, it is a demand which is absolutely non-negotiable.

I'm never going to be convinced to vote for Biden, but if you actually care about convincing leftists, then you're shooting yourself in the foot by trivializing the issue. Of course, the most effective way to convince an opponent of genocide to support a politician would be to get the politician to stop supporting genocide, but if you choose to focus you efforts on getting leftists to stop opposing genocide instead, I can't stop you.

okay real question for the omega libs here: where do you see people that are like. worth taking seriously, right, that are worth engaging with (maybe that's the major filter that I'm blocking out here since most people seem incapable of choosing who they actually want to engage with), who are the people that are worth engaging with that aren't going to vote for the old zionist rapist guy? I mean, the democractic one? I'm pulling your chain there but like for real, where do you see the opposition that's actually real?

Most of the shit that I've seen, still, is like, people rightfully saying "oh, biden sucks, here's why", and then people bringing up "trump's worse". Like okay, just because I hate pancakes doesn't mean I suddenly love waffles, you know? Food analogy I know I know, but really, like, where's the real opposition coming from? I'm discounting the super pro-biden turbolibs also, because they annoy me with their smugness. So far as I can tell, the people who are fervently anti-biden to the point of like, idiocy, right, weren't going to vote for him basically in any context, regardless of you know like damage control strategies, or the fact that voting didn't take that much effort in totality compared to other activism they might do, or like, oh, could they vote as a protest in a non-swing state that's basically guaranteed commitment to biden already as a kind of protest vote with questionable utility, that sort of thing. Most of the "opposition" I've seen hasn't been actually calculated about any of that, because none of that stuff is really very controversial, or, it shouldn't be. Most of them have just been like, not worth bothering with. Probably not russian bots or trolls like everyone would constantly say, because that's also fucking idiotic, but probably, they're just stupid people who aren't worth wasting your time on.

Basically why the fuck is everyone wasting their time on this like, stupid bullshit? How come every election, in equal measure, I see "vote blue no matter who" imbeciles trotted out in lock step, to shout down at "I will never vote for anyone because I'm a posadist accelerationist" terminally online idiots? There's no nuance or real depth to the conversation, or strategy, it's just like. Both sides can construct a strawman, and then basically get away with it because, on the vastness of the internet, said strawman is guaranteed to exist, especially if I make it kind of a vague ghost that I'm punching at. And then because of that, nobody ever has to actually like, work out any of their arguments in depth, because they're too busy kind of churning forth the cycle of idiocy.

I dunno, maybe digg 3.0 is just not conducive to good political discourse.

"The solution is to mobilize the American people, working-class people, Black, white, Latino, Native American, whatever they may be, to come together, to fight for a government, which represents all of us, and not just the few."

So the kids who are on college campuses getting shot with rubber bullets and beaten by armed thugs aren't fighting?

Trumps not president. Biden is.

Young people have lost their minds and are acting irrationally.

We're not underestimating a damn thing, we're ignoring it because the feds have proven that nothing we do will change anything.

The lesser of two evils argument only works if at some point you eventually give the people voting someone to vote for who is not evil. When you are forced to vote for evil after a while you lose hope and say screw this I'm not voting at all.

I worry Bernie Sanders doesn't know he's irrelevant.

Part of me wants to vote in Trump. Let shit come to a head sooner rather than later.

Threat to what? He was already president and I didn't feel threatened, what has happened that makes him so scary? Actual honest question