Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail
Iraq makes same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in jail
Amendments to anti-prostitution law also enable courts to sentence trans people to three years in prison
Amendments to anti-prostitution law also enable courts to sentence trans people to three years in prison
Iraq’s parliament has passed a bill making same-sex relations punishable by up to 15 years in prison, in a move condemned as an “attack on human rights”.
Transgender people will also be sentenced to three years in jail under the amendments to a 1988 anti-prostitution law, which were adopted during a session attended by 170 out of 329 lawmakers on Saturday.
A previous draft had proposed capital punishment for same-sex relations, in what campaigners had called a “dangerous” escalation. The new amendments enable courts to sentence people to between 10 and 15 years in prison, according to the document seen by AFP, in a country where gay and transgender people already face frequent attacks and discrimination.
They also set a minimum seven-year prison term for “promoting” same-sex relations and a sentence ranging from one to three years for men who “intentionally” act like women.
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Wow. Two stories in one day about how America brought freedom to Iraq.
How is this America's fault? If anything, this is only happening because the US can't protect them.
It's America's fault because Bush invaded to "bring freedom" to Iraq and then America stayed there for seven years and this is the result a decade later. And you think America should still be occupying Iraq? Should it be annexed as the 51st state or something?
Iraq independently passes shitty law
This is all America's fault even though they aren't there and have nothing to do with it
Surely if left to their own devices, a woman and LGBT friendly paradise would be there
America Bad even when an independent country makes its own decision somehow
You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?
So that I don't repeat myself, see this reply: https://lemmy.world/comment/9699031
Homosexuality was legal in Iraq while Saddam was in power.
Edit: re your edit-
You realize that by reducing all political activity in Iraq to the invasion of Iraq, you are posing the Iraqi people as puppets with no will of their own?
No, but I am saying their will isn't being represented. Because it isn't.
https://www.chathamhouse.org/2021/10/iraqi-elections-still-do-not-deliver-democracy
What makes you think women and queers would have better living conditions if the US didn't invade?
Queers? I don't know. Women? Because I do know.
Until the 1990s, Iraqi women played an active role in the political and economic development of Iraq.[121] In 1969, the Ba'ath Party established the General Federation of Iraqi Women, which offered many social programs to women, implementing legal reforms advancing women's status under the law and lobbying for changes to the personal status code.[121] In 1986, Iraq became one of the first countries to ratify the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women.[121]
During the 1970s and 1980s, Saddam Hussein urged women to fill men's places in schools, universities, hospitals, factories, the army, and the police. However, women's employment subsequently decreased as they were encouraged to make way for returning soldiers in the late 1980s and the 1990s.[122] In general in cases of war, as Nadje Sadig Al-Ali, author of Iraqi Women: Untold Stories from 1948 to the Present, argues, "women carried the conflicting double burden of being the main motors of the state bureaucracy and the public sector, the main breadwinners and heads of households but also the mothers of 'future soldiers.'[123]: 168 In the years following the 1991 Gulf War, many of the positive steps that had been taken to advance women's and girls’ status in Iraqi society were reversed due to a combination of legal, economic, and political factors.[121] As the economy constricted due to sanctions, women were pushed into more traditional roles.[121] Moreover, Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202 However, despite Saddam's appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that "women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now."[124]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Iraq
The Criminal Code of 1969, enacted by the Ba'athist party, only criminalized sexual behavior in cases of adultery, incest, rape, prostitution, public acts, or cases involving fraud or someone unable to give consent due to age or mental defect. Homosexuality per se was not a crime, but could be justification for government discrimination and harassment under laws designed to protect national security and public morality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iraq
So I don't know for sure if queer people's lives would have been better, but at least they wouldn't have been automatic criminals.
See above: re Satayana.
Saddam Hussein, in an attempt to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists, brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes.[123]: 202 However, despite Saddam’s appeals to the anti-women elements of Iraqi society, according to local NGOs, they concluded that “women were treated better during the Saddam Hussein era and their rights were more respected than they are now.”
It looks to me like this would've happened anyways, it was just a matter of time.
Did you think they were going to stop "attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists" at any point?
Yes, I quoted that part. It came after the part I bolded that said "In the years following the 1991 Gulf War," which makes me think you didn't actually read much of it.
The 1991 Gulf War was when the U.S. invaded Iraq the first time. It was, again, America's fault.
1991 takes place after 1990, which is when Saddam "brought in anti-woman legislation, such as the 1990 presidential decree granting immunity to men who had committed honour crimes."
They started “attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” before the 1991 Gulf War, yet you think the 1991 Gulf War is what caused them to "maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists”?
You also think that if it wasn't for a war that took place after they started "attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists” that they would've magically stopped "attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists.”
Interesting.
1990? You mean when America started threatening to Invade and Saddam sought the aid of the fundamentalists to stay in power, going against his own party?
Yes, I agree, Saddam was a terrible dictator.
That doesn't change the fact that homosexuality was legal when he was in charge and illegal now.
That doesn’t change the fact that homosexuality was legal when he was in charge and illegal now.
I re-iterate my previous point of "it looks to me like this would’ve happened anyways, it was just a matter of time."
"Did you think they were going to stop 'attempting to maintain legitimacy with conservative Islamic fundamentalists' at any point?"
And I re-iterate my previous point that it wouldn't have happened anyway if America hadn't stuck its nose in.
Saddam didn't reach out to the Islamists while at war with Iran. He certainly could have.
I'd trade Iraq for Texas. They have more oil and probably less genocidal bigots, even in light of this news.
At least you can talk Iraqis down from the death penalty.
They were a shithole before we invaded and they are still a shithole. We didn't bomb homophobia into the country.
And yet, homosexuality was legal then and it's illegal now. Seems like a big difference to me.
Iraq was a secular country with the best healthcare in the region. The US war made electricity and water no longer available 24/7 and allowed a wave of fundamentalism in. Pretending it was broken before the war is ignorance.
Must be time to bomb them back into compliance with western values.
The sad thing is a significant chunk of Lemmy seems to have either forgotten America's role in shaping Iraq into the way it is today or aren't aware of it at all. Satayana would be shaking his head.
Iran has been shaping them into what they are now though.
Iran didn't "guide" them into creating a constitution that was deferential to Islam. In fact, the Ba'ath party, which was gotten rid of when Saddam was defeated, was secular. It was the U.S. that did that.
whoosh
Do please tell me what I'm missing. Is the person I was replying to who I was essentially agreeing with also missing the same thing?
Your original reply seemed like you were talking about the comment, not agreeing with it
Just to be clear I was joking. I don’t want to bomb anyone ever.
Yeah, and the other commenter got it, but the other other one thought that that other commenter thought you were serious. But the other other commenter was wrong; that other commenter knew you were joking. And so did I.
Man, this is getting confusing. But everyone understood your comment, at least! Lol
Well I was wrong about someone else being wrong but I think you're about who was wrong or right. Am I right?
No, I think we're both wrong to the right.
Three rights make a left.
Bombing isn't really in the Iraq playbook yet.
Maybe it can be added after the latest section on insurrection sand we'll see about next time.