I bet the Vulcans never tried to "Save Daylight" by changing the clocks twice a year
I bet the Vulcans never tried to "Save Daylight" by changing the clocks twice a year
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I don't understand why it never occurred to anyone that they could just change the times they do things instead of changing the clock
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Pretty sure it did, and would lead to conversations like "Oh by the way boss, for the next 6 months I'll be coming in an hour late. You guys are cool with flex time, right?"
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Me: As long as you leave an hour later why do I give a shit.
Probably why I'm not the boss of anything.
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Technically, that's sorta what we do... We all agree to make everything one hour off, including the clock.
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It would cause disruptions because of business hours inconsistently changing.
You know your suppliers business hours, they don't change. The clock changes, but your supplier still opens at 9am, you know when you're working they're open.
If it were trivial to accomplish individually, then you could tell your boss that after the time change you'll be coming into the office at 10am instead of 9am and negate any ill effects from the time change. If place of employment is cool with this, then you make this change right now. But most people have to conform to what the rest of their industry is doing.
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Potato tomato.
You wouldn't doing the same thing either way so what difference does it make?
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…Right? Like, if you want daylight at the end of your work day, just start work earlier in the day.
Instead, we have the tyranny of night owls who cannot wake up at a decent hour wanting to move clock noon wildly away from solar noon just to pamper their solipsistic needs.
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DST was established in the context of anemic government trying to show extensive reach/control over the economy at a time where it had very little (arguably it still does today but only because most governments have matured to represent their most powerful class). As if to say "We determine the clocks that industry schedules by"
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This would be a Warhammer 40K thing.
On all ships of the Imperium, using complex mathematics and ancient tomes to achieve synchronisation across the galaxy and even inside the warp, the clocks are changed by one hour twice a year, in an elaborate ritual.
No one dares ask the reason behind it, but it must be done, to appease the machine god.
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Programmers and engineers everywhere agree. Fuck DST.
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Oh boy, here I go posting my favorite YouTube video again: https://youtu.be/-5wpm-gesOY
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Only UTC all over the world even better
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Floridian here. Wtf we finally do something right and vote to stay on DST year round and Congress won't let it happen? It's been YEARS that it's been on the table with Congress. I will give them an excuse for not getting any work done on Hang Mike Pence day, but really this is getting a bit annoying.
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They won't tell you the Bell riots were actually about daylight savings time.
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Imagine how fucking complex it would be arrange an appointment with somebody on another planet.
"See you at 11 o clock then?"
"Eh, we've only got 10 hours in a day. Spins like a motherfucker."
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The very first BattleTech novel, Decision at Thunder Rift, tried this.
It's set on a planet in fairly close orbit of a red dwarf star, so its year lasts three local solar days, and the whole thing takes like four Earth weeks. There's a whole section near the beginning of the book that explains it.
Most of the rest of the series uses the modern Gregorian calendar.
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The clock starts at 0300 and ends at 1300.
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I regret to inform all of you that it is technically Daylight Saving Time and not Daylight Savings Time and now you must suffer with this information with me
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Man i can't wait to be insufferable in a whole new way! Rather than my suffering you have given me the power of pedantry. And i will use this power for evil
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I would seriously consider living in Utopia Planitia.
Like, I'll take basic crew quarters as long as my porthole has a view of the yards.
I bet the Vulcans never tried to "Save Daylight" by changing the clocks twice a year
Vulcans have an aneurysm trying to study Earth history.
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Vulcans have an aneurysm trying to study Earth history.
Cue the copypasta: https://reactormag.com/the-answer-to-why-humans-are-so-central-in-star-trek/
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I always loved this one:
Klingons: okay we don't get it Vulcan science academy: what what? Klingons: You Vulcans are a bunch of stuffy prisses but you're also tougher, stronger, and smarter than humans in every single way. Why do you let them run your Federation? VSA: Look. This is a species where if you give them two warp cores, they don't do experiments on one and save the other for if the first one blows up. This is a species where if you give them two warp cores, they will ask for a third one, immediately plug all three into each other, punch a hole into an alternate universe where humans subscribe to an even more destructive ideological system, fight everyone in it because they're offended by that, steal their warp cores, plug those together, punch their way back here, then try to turn a nearby star into a torus because that was what their initial scientific experiment was for and they didn't want to waste a trip. VSA: They did that last week, we have the write-up right here. It's getting published in about six hundred scientific journals across two hundred different disciplines because of how many established theories their ridiculous little experiment has just called into question. Also, they did turn that sun into a torus, and no one actually knows how. VSA: This is why we let them do whatever the hell they want. Klingons: Can we be a part of your Federation?
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Yeah, although think about having to coordinate communications between Utopia Planitia and Earth. It's confusing as hell when NASA has to communicate with Mars probes. Everyone goes on "Mars time" schedules so they can coordinate communications times.
Not because Mars is so far away. Subspace communication wouldn't make a difference. Because Mars and Earth have different day lengths.
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I figured workers beamed up to the yards every day. Saves having to build crew quarters in space.
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Depending on the energy and resource requirements of transporters it may still be more efficient (and less risky) to build housing in space versus trans-orbital commuting via beaming.
I believe it's been mentioned before that transporters are hard enough to build and run that most non-critical transport is still done with conventional shuttles to save resources and ensure timely transport for actually critical tasks. And Taking a shuttle commute from Earth to Spacedock would be a bit time consuming. And considering the thousands that would work at Utopia Planitia- yeah thats a decent bit of traffic.
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When Vulcans decide to save daylight, they build a Dyson Sphere.
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No, they would have been exceedingly logical and rational, and never done anything other than Standard Time, which would have seen local noon line up as close as possible with solar noon.
Because why call it “noon” if it’s more than a half-hour out?
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Idk man... Arizona??
(Source: lived there. But also, for your intellectual consideration, fuck dst)
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Indiana used to only have DST near Louisville and Chicago. Then Mitch Daniels ran a first failed campaign for governor on the "give Indiana DST" platform. When he ran again and was re-elected, he gave Indiana DST.
I was born and raised in Indiana, but I was living in California when it happened. It sucked that I had to move back and still deal with the DST I had to deal with in California.
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I missed a connecting flight in Arizona once, because I didn't know that they don't observe DST. I thought I had another hour to get on my plane.
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Arizona only has a change of about 4 hours winter to summer vs Northern cities that lose 7 though. The big fight in the north is whether you leave for work in the dark, or leave to go home from work in the dark.
But I also lived in Arizona and DST is so damn terrible. But I'm on team year-round DST because I want after work daylight to get things done (vs Arizona which is year-round Standard Time.
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Saskatchewan is fairly directly north of Arizona, in the sane time zone, doesn't do it either. Everyone in Saskatchewan is familiar with forcing foreign electronics onto Arizona time because the developers just looked at a world time zone map that neglected to note Saskatchewan, in addition to having no DST, is partially in the wrong tome zone. Western half is supposed to be on mountain time, eastern on central, same as BC is cut down the middle into mountain amd Pacific. So anyways my phone decided I was on central DST Sunday night and switched me to Manitoba time, I opened an hour early and was a little perturbed, it's cause Bell outsourced everything to Bombay.
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Savingss*
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I never thought DST was a big deal until I lived somewhere without it, and let me tell you that sunlight from 5 to 8:30 is infinitely better than 4 to 7:30. What percentage of people are awake at 4 vs 5 do you think?
All I'm saying is first light at 3 AM sucks ass
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Where I live we have sunlight from 5:20 to 22:00 in summer. This means going to bed while it's still light outside. We're actually in the wrong time zone though, the sun is at the highest point somewhere around 14:00 in the summer.
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Where was that, because it sounds more like they were in the wrong time zone. (Which happens quite often.)
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Japan doesn't do dst, and when you get to the same latitude as about NYC you get sun times like I mentioned. But even in the states the time zones are pretty broad. New York can have sunset after 8, but Michigan is in the same time zone and the sunset is after 9.
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Technically we need to stay in Daylight Savings Time. I.e. what we have now with more light in the evening. We just came from standard time: more light in the morning. We just need to stop changing now.
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The sun rising even later in the winter is far worse than rising earlier in the summer. It is also giving in to the idea that 'business hours', which are lopsided to after noon, needing to drive everyone's clocks instead of the sun.
9 to 5 or 8 to 5 business hours are the problem. Just make business hours an even 8 to 4 and you have the exact same evening hours as DST but mornings are not any later in the winter than they are with standard time.
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You can't change business hours like that. It would require a lot more of a law to mandate anything of the sort.
I want more evening daylight so I can actually do things after I'm done with work. Changing to DST would make that easier. IDGAF about morning light. Others may want the opposite but I guess they are morning people.
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I think we're the seeing the difference in location in the comments lol. People that don't live with 0 sunlight in winter, because youre at work for those hours, probably don't understand. It's actually OK for states to cancel DLS if they convert to standard, but not the spring forward time. I heard that's why MN can't change theirs permanently, because they want spring forward time but that's not legal federally.
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Even with the loss of an hour, it's daylight until 9:30 pm here during the summer. I'm okay with losing an hour. What's rough is that the sun goes down at 4pm in the winter, even with the gained hour.
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It's the other way around. The hour "gained" (shifted from morning to evening) in the evening is in the summer. Permanent DST would mean sundown at 5pm in the winter for you.
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Well that's just stupid then!
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For all I know, Vulcan revolves around its axis once in exactly 24 hours and thus doesn't need daylight savings time to keep it sunny at 4pm.
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The Earth rotates exactly once every 24 hours by definition. DST is done because of the tilt of the axis, not the spin rate.
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No, with permanent daylight savings.
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Yeah, Mexico bean chilling rn, urbanism movement hitting here nicely too c:
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The usefulness of daylight saving very much depends on your latitude. In the winter in the north of Scotland you'd have children walking to school on the pitch black without daylight saving time.
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Isn't that standard time?
I've heard that argument before, but really if it's an issue, just change the school hours. I had to get up and go to school in the dark as a child and really, I was so sleepy the first few classes they were wasted on me anyways.
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I live in Belgium (so South of Scotland) and with ST and a 8:30-15:30 schedule the sun has set by the time kids get to their first extracurricular activity (16:30).
As for getting to school, do not worry because kids still get there at night regardless and the sun rises just as the kids get forced inside the classroom underneath the neon lights.
The further North you go the more people pine for permanent DST because it's our only chance at getting a bit of winter sunlight during our free time (the rush from bed to school/work doesn't count IMO) and of not wasting summer sunlight at 4 am that is much better used for the 10 pm BBQ.
It'd be GRAND if we got rid of DST and all work/school institutions collectively decided to start an hour earlier in the summer instead. But that's just DST with extra steps, and we know institutions are anything but flexible so it will never happen.
Permanent ST is my own personal hell. If that ever happens I genuinely think I will go freelance and become a hermit.
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I recall reading that in the states the public (official) reasoning was for school children and farming but in reality it was commercial interests that actually linked for the change so there'd be more daylight for shopping after work hours
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In all honesty i don't mind daylight savings, since most of the clocks i have that i need to change the time manually are imprecise enough that by the time i need to change the clock they have shifted by a decent amount.
Tldr: for me it also acts as a remider to set my clocks in sync again since they tend to get out of whack after a while.
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I just want it to always be DST, I hate getting home after work to only have an hour to take care of things outside before dark.
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Yep.
Anyone talking about circadian rhythms is getting woken up by an alarm anyway. Then they’re driving to an artificially lit office.
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Its only one hour. I'm not sure why people get so mad. It gives you more daylight in order to get more work done.
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I'm getting plenty of work done without adjusting my clocks thank you.
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Daylight savings time practices have been linked to increases in deadly traffic accidents, workplace injuries, medical errors and overall mortality.
In 2018, researchers in Spain penned a letter that was published in the journal Epidemiology regarding a link between deadly car accidents and daylight savings shifts. After collecting data from capital cities in Spain between 1990 and 2014, the researchers found a 30% increase in fatal traffic accidents on the day clocks sprang forwards. On the day clocks fell backwards, they saw an increase of 16%.
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One of the serious health concerns related to time shifts is acute myocardial infarction, or heart attack. Researchers in Italy wrote a 2018 review published in the journal Internal Emergency Medicine investigating daylight savings' potential effects on heart health. They reviewed seven existing studies from the United States and Europe looking at more than 80,000 cases of acute myocardial infarction. They found an increase, from 4% to 29%, in heart attacks after clocks sprang forwards.
Incidence of stroke may also increase after a clock shift. For a 2016 study published in the journal Sleep Medicine, researchers in Finland investigated the connection. They analysed more than 3,000 hospitalizations from 2004 to 2013 that occurred in the week following seasonal clock changes. They next compared those cases to a control group of 11,000 expected hospitalizations. The findings showed that hospitalizations for ischaemic stroke, the most common type, increased by 8% in the two days following a daylight savings shift. When looking at the whole week post-shift, the increase was 3%. The association was stronger for people assigned female at birth and those who were older.
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Which is why we should leave it on during the winter too.
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