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Please start your comments with the following question answered at the top:

"Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" [Y/N]

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  • Y

    Don't worry, a bunch of fucking idiots think not voting is the solution, turning what could just be 4 more years of "definitely not good" into a toss up with "holy fucking shit I didn't know it could be this bad".

    The vapid motherfuckers doing everything based on principles without taking reality into account is how the left always seems to get so little done.

    • Ahh shit, I didn't know it was the people with principles that are to blame for the left! I think the disconnect comes from the prioritization of which "Reality" you're referring to. If you take the reality of the MIC, Climate change, Class warfare, Political Polarization, Government corruption, etc.... Well your "Political Reality" feels like someone arguing over the driver seat while the car is free falling off a cliff. I'll be voting this coming election but I'm under no pretense that voting or the system itself actually works (popular vote and all), so I won't judge those who choose differently. It is still a democracy after all right? People get to choose what they do still? Or can we stop that charade and all admit it's lost already if it's "vote blue no matter who"?

      • Yup, it's the people with moral platitudes smelling their own farts thinking that they're taking the highest path and everyone around them are just morally inferior bigots that hold back the left. The ones that propose lofty goals, aspire to dream of the perfect world, and then when are asked how to get there always answer "I don't know but we have to!" or "Fight the rich!" - Well that's just dandy little Timmy but do you have a policy idea? Something we can reasonably campaign on to put into law or are you just giving us your ideological end point?

        Fucking worthless. Less than worthless.

        You don't get to abstain from the system, you merely get to choose how you participate. Not voting is still participating no matter how much you feel like it might be a protest against it. Plenty of people don't vote, we still have elections. Trump won, we didn't get better Democratic candidates. Your current choices are to vote blue and kick the can down the road, vote red and succumb to evil, or don't vote and reassure yourself there's no blood on your hands however it shakes out. You want to change the system? Great! Another lofty ideological goal.

        Got a reasonable idea on where to start? Of course not. Fucking worthless.

        Reality is gritting your teeth and making uncomfortable choices knowing it's the best you can do right now. It's understanding you can't make the choice you want because you don't have the means. It's having to pay for medical bills when you really wanted that new TV. My brother I have so many political dreams, the chief among them being UBI, but I'm well adjusted enough to know I have no solutions on how to make it reality. So I just dream about it. The difference is I realize what my dreams are without solutions.

        Fucking worthless.

      • I didn’t know it was the people with principles that are to blame for the left!

        Now you know. You're welcome.

  • Aaron Bushnell was a moron. He should have waited to self-immolate after the election, that way he could still vote for Biden.

    Obvious /s.

  • Y

    Fuck Biden, and fuck the DNC, may they rot in hell, but Trump would be worse for people I love and care for.

    My only hope is that the GOP implodes due to infighting, and the DNC splits into a leftist and establishment group of parties, so that we can choose between a leftist and a liberal, not a liberal and a fascist.

  • "Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?" Yes

    For anybody saying no, I would like to know what radical action we were all supposed to have taken in 2021 to the present that would have fixed America, or how revolution will be easier under a Trump presidency, or what specific plan the vast majority of leftists and progressives wants to enact

    • Just to be clear: These issues largely are relevant for a LOT of Western Nations, so Here we go:

      1. Stop Printing Money

      If you can't afford things, paying your mortgage with a Credit Card is a bad choice - it will get way worse, way faster. Printing more money with Government Bonds is absolutely skyrocketing inflation, and trying to print more money to keep this thing going is going to get extremely bad, extremely quickly and it's already bad - like really bad. It's time to start pulling in the belt and looking to cut.

      In Ideal - the money supply over the next 10-20 years needs to drop by around 50% if not 75%. That would induce negative inflation: MAKING THINGS AFFORDABLE FOR AVERAGE PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING TO FIGHT WITH INCREASING MINIMUM WAGE. And ya - the Neoliberals and NeoCons will fight you tooth and nail. And hell, the NeoMarxists will probably complain because you are making their job of convincing people "Capitalism = evil, Socialism = Good" really god damn hard. And I say: If you piss certified mainstream economists off? You might be on track for something good.

      1. Reduce Outbound Spending

      The Amount of Government Beurocracy growth there has been in the last couple of decades? Simplify the laws, Simplify the codes, make it easier to file taxes for the average person. This will reduce the cost of operating these agencies - and in some cases? Reduce it by A BLOODY TONNE. It will also reduce lawsuits relating to these issues, which again: Saves money.

      Beyond this (this is america specific just to be clear): Start closing down foreign military bases. If you have 5 bases in a country, cut it down to 4, or even 3. Use the savings to pay your service members you have better, improve recruitment programs, and cut some of the spending. Be selective in where you do this - but signal to the world that you need to be efficient. Nations need to invest in their own defence.

      1. Stop the Immigration Insanity

      In the US: The issue is largely Illegal Immigration. In Canada: It's Legal Immigration rubber stamped by a Government that seems hellbent on destroying this nation for the sake of virtue signalling. And people are fed up with it.

      Beyond this: If an immigrant breaks the law? expel them from the country, give them a 5 year ban from entering, and call it a day. For Permanent residents - have a warning system: Minor infraction? Warning, Warning, Expel. For Criminal activity - revoke the permanent residency and boot em out immediately. Don't spend money on imprisoning them: Just kick them out of the nation.

      1. This is American Specific by the way: ID for Voting

      I'm sorry but: Basically every developed nation has this. Democrats need to get overthemselves and implement it. Otherwise, what it looks like - true or not - is that Democrats in certain area's want Illegal Immigrants to be able to vote.

      You know who managed to do about half of this? Trump. Want to know why there is a rather large section of people who are going to vote for him? Because of this.

      You know who the mainstream media hates? Trump. You know who the mainstream media has vilified for like 8 years straight at this point? Trump.

      Run someone, run a platform with these points being true and you will win the election. And probably by a bloody landslide.

      • I'd like to ask how immigration is a problem to you? Immigration means a larger workforce and more value in the economy. If immigrants are "taking jobs" and making people unemployed as many people like to say, that isn't a problem with immigration, that's a problem with the way our economy has always been set up. Being out of a job and unemployed shouldn't destroy your life, take away your healthcare and education, etc., and in civilized countries they don't have nearly as much of an issue with that. So is it something else? Is it being against cultural diversity?

        Undocumented immigrants also can't vote in state or federal elections. VERY FEW municipalities allow undocumented immigrant voting, so few in fact (17 to be exact, if you include ones that only allow them to vote in school board elections, like SF, Oakland, and Chicago) that it's absolutely a non-issue.

        BTW many EU countries allow non-EU citizens to vote (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Slovenia, Lithuania).

        I'm also curious as to which "half" that Trump accomplished that you're referring to. Spending was extremely high under Trump. He was KNOWN for making national debt skyrocket, increasing government spending a ton in order to tax the rich less, fucking up foreign relations including trading which set up a terrible future for prices. And all of this without even facing a pandemic. The economy complex and the answer to its problems isn't just "stop printing money lol".

        Trump also, completely contrary to what he campaigned on, does all he can to increase illegal immigration. He did absolutely nothing to stop or reduce it, he just used it as something to convince people to vote for him. It's been decreasing since Obama and Trump didn't contribute at all. Meanwhile, Trump has been actively working against introducing legislation on immigration because he doesn't want Biden to get good press, he has influenced Republicans directly to kill multiple bills that would contribute to controlling immigration.

        That only leaves voting, which Trump heavily worked against... He definitely did really want to make more states ID voters, but not because of some goal to make voting more fair or streamlined – he actually put much of his effort making sure voting WASN'T fair or easy, and tried making voting much more of a pain in the ass, especially for poorer and marginalized people, to lower voter turnout – it was to encroach on peoples' right to vote by making it have an extremely high personal cost. Naturally people who are far more well off and have a lot of time, people who are privileged, which are generally people who vote Republican, will be the ones who can afford to put the time and effort and money in.

      • I'm not going to argue with you too hard because you clearly are a big Trump fan (Not only do Trump's policies align with yours more than Biden, but you seem to have a cult of personality thing going)

        But I will agree with you that it would be great if we spent less money on our biggest expense, war. Cut all funding to Israel, make huge cuts to border patrol, cut our department of defense down to a fraction of what it currently is, demilitarize the police...

        We can keep going, too. End meat subsidies. End grain subsidies....

        I don't know if mainstream media hates Donald Trump, Fox News sure loved him. And the only powerful political figure I can think of who got fewer CNN Town Halls than Donald Trump is Jeffrey Epstein, who I also hear mainstream media hates.

  • I live in a blue state, so unless the poles are even slightly worrying I might vote 3rd party. But regardless I'll probably vote Biden.

  • Y

    However if the next election ends up being something similar to the current one where it becomes another a vote not for X means a vote for Y, I'm going to vote Z regardless of the potential outcome it's the only way to actually make change in our system it just requires people actually going through with the threat of not voting X or Y

  • It is on Biden to course correct and be serious about trying to win here. It seems that is not in the plans. The message of fear is not going to be enough when Trump was already President before.

  • I'm all for not voting for Biden, but how about people at least wait until the alternative isn't Trump?

    edit: So curious about all the amount of downvotes, I can't imagine they are coming from Trump fans. Is that a testament to the amount of people that would still vote Biden even if there were actually decent competition? Or maybe it's a testament to the US love for a one party state or your vote goes to the devil sort of party politics it has devolved to..

    • If it's not trump then it'll be another republican who will be just as bad. Trump is following republican policy as usual, it doesn't end. Just look at nikki haley. "If we could just beat this bad guy of the week this one time" is an excuse by democrats to never actually pursue progressive policies.

      • If it was just Republican policy as usual, Mitt Romney would not have been given the cold shoulder he was. I think the most you can claim is that it was the natural progression of where the party was heading to, which I don't disagree with. I'll just mark it as the latter, then, since outcries for ranked voting and more pluralistic forms of European parliamentary representation are even rarer than Bernie supporters.

  • Bigger problem is sort of generally just that people have like, no agency to exercise any political will really outside of basically fundamentally rigged and undemocratic system that only comes around every 4 years. Also partially talking about local and state elections too, there. If you're lucky enough to be part of a union, the union is probably also shit because this is america.

    On the other hand, I find it really epic and cool that people are now having political discussions through prearranged talking points via spongebob memes. That's really epic, and very cool, and we all love that. If we've kinda reached the point where we're able to just simulate entire discussions through spongebob image macros, you think we would've arrived at a kind of ultimate truth, here, at some point. Even just for a given goal, or set of constraints, or given set of information.

    I will also say, most of these spongebob memes are just meant for the in-group. None of these are convincing anyone to change their mind, they're written exclusively from the perspective of someone who's just reaffirming their worldview. The OP's one literally just like, mocks the opposition, there. I don't think you're gonna convince anyone with that, but I've also never seen a convincing one just generally. You'd be better off just formatting a well-sourced writeup, and then copy-pasting that in many places, so people can actually interact with the different links, instead of just looking at the macro and being convinced solely on the basis of rhetoric therein. I've seen better image macros propagated on 4chan for blatantly conspiratorial garbage, because those at least had the pretense of being well-sourced, even if they were just blatantly bullshit if you pushed back and looked up the sources even a little. The misinformation, basically, was trying much harder than this.

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