2y ago

"Antiwoke" magazin on kbin.social posting bullshit like "how to end Wokeness" and "Time to reject the extrem trans lobby harming our society"
How to report ? he is the moderator of that magazin.

@ernest@kbin.social how do I report a Magazin on kbin.social ? There is a usere called "ps" who is posting to his own "antiwoke" Magazin on kbin.social. Please remove this and dont give them a chance to etablish them self on kbin.social. When I report his stuff it will go to him because he is th...

@ernest how do I report a Magazin on kbin.social ? There is a usere called "ps" who is posting to his own "antiwoke" Magazin on kbin.social. Please remove this and dont give them a chance to etablish them self on kbin.social. When I report his stuff it will go to him because he is the moderator of the magazin? Seems like a problem. Screenshot of the "antiwoke" Magazin /sub on kbin.social. 4 Headlines are visible, 2 exampels: "Time to reject the extrem trans lobby harming our society" "How to end wokeness" #Moderation #kbin #kbin.social 📎

edit: dont feed the troll, im shure ernest will delet them all when he sees this. report and move on.

Edit 2 : Ernest responded:
"I just need a little more time. There will likely be a technical break announced tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Along with the migration to new servers, we will be introducing new moderation tools that I am currently working on and testing (I had it planned for a bit later in my roadmap). Then, I will address your reports and handle them very seriously. I try my best to delete sensitive content, but with the current workload and ongoing relocation, it takes a lot of time. I am being extra cautious now. The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly. For now, please make use of the option to block the magazine/author."

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I just need a little more time. There will likely be a technical break announced tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Along with the migration to new servers, we will be introducing new moderation tools that I am currently working on and testing (I had it planned for a bit later in my roadmap). Then, I will address your reports and handle them very seriously. I try my best to delete sensitive content, but with the current workload and ongoing relocation, it takes a lot of time. I am being extra cautious now. The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly. For now, please make use of the option to block the magazine/author.
- thank you!
  I appreciate all you do and your quick respond.
  Multipile Things I noticed as a creater of this thread:
  can I close comments ?
  can I hide comments ?
  can I pin a response?
  can I quickly see from what server peope are interacting?
  I am no coder but would love to support you with all the work that is done.
  At least some of the costs can be taken of your shoulders:
  https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin
  Edit: Can you close this thread for me ?
  
  All the things you mentioned are in the roadmap. However, we can either do it quickly and potentially encounter issues in a few weeks or months, or take a bit more time for a more thorough approach. I've decided to move away from playful prototyping. From now on, every change will be tested before it's approved for kbin.social - it's no longer just my code (https://lab2.kbin.pub/). I'd like to close this thread for you... but can we just agree not to respond in it anymore? ;p
  
  @Noki You’re basically trying to bribe the admin to censor the content. Well done you.
  @ernest
- A friendly reminder; Please don't forget to take your time and step away from Kbin whenever you need a break. Your mental health is just as important, if not most important, for the project to succeed.
  
  You are correct.
  I'm bookmarking this page to return to later. Time to pull up some weeds!
- I joined kbin recently and I'm kind of concerned about the implications of this. I don't support those posts at all, but who gets to say what's worth banning and what not? Wouldn't that go against the decentralized nature of the site? Or is it the specific instance that magazine is on that has the authority to ban what's inside? How does all of this work?
  Edit: my bad, I got kbin and kbin.social mixed up. Noob mistake.
  
  Remember, kbin.social is just one instance of kbin. Ernest banning something on kbin.social does not mean banning it from the fediverse.
  It could pop up on another fediverse site or even another kbin site.
  
  It actually is one of the strengths of the decentralized nature of the Fediverse. But there are still growing pains associated with it.
  
  Wouldn't that go against the decentralized nature of the site?
  No, it's exactly the opposite. The entire point of a decentralized federation is that while yes, the admin is in complete control of what content is allowed on his or her own instance, users who don't like what the admin is doing can just spin up their own new instances.
  Ernest can ban this type of content if he likes. Others can take the kbin software and make a new instance where it's welcome. Ernest can choose not to federate with that instance if they continue to push content that's against his rules, but Ernest doesn't have the power to dictate the direction for hundreds of millions of users' experience like a certain centralized site's mad CEO or admin board does.
  What would be against the nature of ActivityPub is if Ernest built something into the software to prevent it being used for types of content he doesn't like, even on other instances.
  
  @KTVX94
  While I kind of agree with you in being concerned about who gets to control what we see and don't see and the censorship aspect, there is also "the paradox of tolerance" to be considered and maybe in that light it is correct to not tolerate that subs intolerance.
  Regarding the Paradox of Tolerance:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoxoftolerance
  
  kbin.social administration controls only what is published on kbin.social, and what content from elsewhere kbin.social users can see. An user banned from kbin.social can make another account, on another site and start recreate there his banned community. kbin.social will be able to ban this remote user and remote community, but this restricts only what kbin.social users can see.
  Exactly the same for another /kbin or lemmy site - just replace the domain name accordingly.
- Thank you Ernest, we appreciate you ☺️
- Wow, more new servers! Looks like the growth has been really explosive. It wasn't that long ago you migrated Kbin to Fastly right?
- Could you clarify what you would do in cases like this? Censor based on misinterpretation of the clickbait headline, even if it does not contain hate content at all?
  
  That's the best bait you could come up with? Come on, you can do better.
- The regulations are quite general, and I would like to refine them together with you and do everything properly.
  I have been wondering how instance-wide moderation will end up looking on kbin, once you've had a chance to get a team in place for that. While it is (I assume) a "generalist" instance, it's important to keep in mind that you can't please everyone. Trying to have too broad of an audience will just result in retaining those with a high tolerance for toxicity (usually highly toxic themselves), while everyone else leaves in favor of better-managed spaces.
  Communities in general, and particularly on the internet, need to understand what their purpose is, and be proactive about filtering out those that are incompatible with that purpose. This doesn't mean judging those people as wrong, or "bad people", it just means recognizing that not everyone is going to get along, and that some level of group cohesion needs to be maintained.
  
  Agreed, that's part of my problem with generalist instances. They're so broad that they serve multiple communities with differing expectations, and it forces admins to take sides.
- Everyone appreciates your effort here, ernest. Spez hasn't gotten 92 upvotes on a comment in years lmao despite Reddit having millions of users, it really shows how the difference.

can you be more specific. I can't find what you found.

I don't know what is going on with this new magazine, but are you suggesting that we can't be critical of "woke" culture and/or aspects of trans culture? I think both have some excesses deserving of some criticism, e.g. witch hunts on social media and transwomen in women's sports.
Edit: Unbelievable downvotes over a completely reasonable take. Perhaps there is no hope for the internet after all.
- I'm sorry for the downvotes. People are assuming you support what's being said on that magazine, when you explicitly said you didn't read it. It's pretty vile stuff, not just reasonable criticisms. The place needs to be banned, it's very clearly hate speech.
- I see it as an opportunity to see how resilient the Fediverse is against censorship. Each instance has its own rules, and can federate (or not) with whoever they want. You want to build a stormfront clone or an extreme-left community? Go ahead, make your own rules. It does not mean that my instance has to federate with yours, though.
  Sorry about the grammatical mistakes. English is not my native language.
- It is really disgusting and probably the worst part of any movement, everyone is brain washed into believing only one narrative and dissent is silenced. It's pretty much just fascism.
  
  you think a movement of tolerance for trans folks is brainwashing? i'm pretty sure it's society evolving to accept that people exist outside the box of binary genders and other folks deciding they have no problem with that.
  you're trying to tell people that what they know themselves to be is wrong. you're out here lacking empathy - making no attempt to really try to understand what life is like for people like this. and ultimately you're making a fuss about something that bears no tangible outcome on your daily life.
  we don't want to have this conversation anymore. it has been done to death. we understand your perspective and it's based on fear of the unknown. end of discussion.
- You're being downvoted for making a reasonable take, to a completely unreasonable set of posts.
  The problem is basically people going "let them talk banning is free speech!" When the talk is either an article demonizing the trans lobby, or a post below it that takes a moment to talk about how back in the day it was acceptable to beat homosexual people to a pulp.
  That is why you are being downvoted. Because you're trying to act like a reasonable response is to be expected to a set of unreasonable and destructive takes. There's a group here trying to normalize hate speech as something that can just be argued with when most of them are cherry picking their arguments or just arguing in bad faith in general.

Welcome to the real world, where people disagree with you, and sometimes they're right and you're wrong. You can learn from everyone's perspective.
Is kbin meant to be a far-leftist echo chamber?
- I don't want kbin to be a far-leftist echo chamber. I also don't want kbin to be a far-right echo chamber. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to protect a community from extreme and hateful views, regardless of which side they come from, because those views tend to attract the type of horrible, toxic people such as yourself who advocate beating the shit out of people for being different in a harmless way.
  Welcome to the real world, where people who are different from you exist and mind their own business. If you can't put up with people who don't affect you in any way, I don't think the rest of us owe it to you to put up with you, either. Go find a cesspit to wallow in.
  
  I upvoted you because your response was based on a misunderstanding of me. I never advocating for harming anyone, and I would never do that.
- its a far right talking point, do you want extremist on kbin.social?
  Edit: Funny, your the guy agreeing with "ps".
  "No normal person who obeys the laws of sexual morality calls himself a "cis". It's a slur used by those who hate being called something they don't call themselves (their God-given gender), but have too much cognitive dissonance and too much hatred for normal people to let that stop them. We need to reopen the asylums yesterday" - this you ?
  more hatefull stuff from you "We may not all have been Christian back then, but almost all of us were, and everyone supported Judeo-Christian values without question. Homosexuals were regularly taken outside and beaten to a pulp, so it was extremely rare for anyone to think such behavior was acceptable."
  
  I don't usually go to through other people's comment history, but this one is a goldmine
  "It made sense back when everyone was, more or less, on board with the program of western civilization. We may not all have been Christian back then, but almost all of us were, and everyone supported Judeo-Christian values without question. Homosexuals were regularly taken outside and beaten to a pulp, so it was extremely rare for anyone to think such behavior was acceptable. At this point we need to ask ourselves what the purpose of freedom is. Are we a free people so we can exercise perverted pleasures of the flesh, the slaughter of innocent babies, and genital mutilation of children without their parents knowledge? If you answer "yes", you just might be repeating the whisper of a demon."
  "woke neo-marxism claims that any normal person is bad. That means its practitioners openly discriminate against conservative white Christian men, especially if they practice heterosexual behavior in a traditional marriage."
  "Ironically, secession is about the most American thing we could do at this point"
  
  Unfortunately I don't know how to report magazines/users so I can't help you there but I just want to add my support to what you're asking because this sort of thing is against the kbin terms of service:
  We expect all users to treat each other with respect and kindness. Harassment, hate speech, or any other form of harmful behavior will not be tolerated. We reserve the right to remove any content or user that violates these guidelines.
  
  Thank you for doing the investigation so I don't have to. He'll be going on many peoples block lists at this point.
  
  Woke is far-leftist neo-Marxism. What you call "far right" and "extremist" is actually normal, conservative, and Christian. What you call "hateful" is actually just truth telling.
  Downvote me all you want, but you sound like naive child who hasn't learned how to engage with competing worldviews.
- You present the false choice between hateful extremists and left wing extremists.
  
  I agree that would be a false dichotomy. I disagree that I presented that choice. But I appreciate that you're actually engaging with ideas here.
- @kbinMeta
  @10A
  Considering the issue about tankies on some lemmy instances, I think we understand how much left is too far left. And what you describe as "woke" isn’t it.
  
  I concede that's a very good point. The term "far-left" (just like "far-right") is problematic because there's such a wide spectrum. In the center-left, you have old-school leftists like Bill Maher. On the far left you have tankies. In between them you have the woke. So what do we call that? I can't pretend to answer the question, but I recognize that you have a very good point. Personally I'll continue calling woke far-left until I learn a more appropriate term.

I mean I don't know or even care to censur on that level but thanks for the heads up so I can block. Im thinking it would be nice to have a recommened block magazine
- It's not censorship, it's self-defence.

how did you even find it? Browsing by newest?

Now I can confirm, the block button works :D

A single shitposter, with only downvoted posts. without attention they would have stopped posting, but now it has attention.
While the content is stupid and vile, is he breaking any rules?
- I mean, one of those examples is
  "Time to reject the extrem trans lobby harming our society"
  That is a global rule violation on most sites. Hate speech.
  
  Genuinely curious what is hateful about that? Rejecting something does not equal hate or I guess I need to file a claim against universities and friends who rejected me.
- Nah, we're nipping this shit in the bud because the shitposting is only the Trojan horse.
  This shit's already here. Now we gotta shine a light on it and deal with it.
- I disagree: better to kill the evil in its infancy, rather than let it spread and hope it goes away by its own.
- clowns always trying to censor somebody... hunting for some low level degenerate to turn him into "antihero"
  these people can't seem to just enjoy a place with out starting a witch hunt
  
  m/Clowns would like a word with you.
- Respectful Behavior
  We expect all users to treat each other with respect and kindness. Harassment, hate speech, or any other form of harmful behavior will not be tolerated. We reserve the right to remove any content or user that violates these guidelines.
  Isn't this standard for anywhere that doesn't want to end up as TD or 4chan?
  
  The posts itself are not rulebreaking, but i could be wrong.
  But the reply here is breaking the rules
  https://kbin.social/m/antiwoke/t/101045/Time-to-reject-the-extreme-trans-lobby-harming-our-society
  That's mostly the problem with those posts, while not rule breaking, they are hate magnets.
  If the moderator refuses to properly moderate the comments this would be a proper reason for a ban.
- Streisand effect for sure. There seems to be run of these types of posts in the fediverse lately. People don’t seem to realize that sometimes they’re better off letting these situations take their natural course (and die), and not intervene unless it grows beyond manageability.
  
  Respectfully, I disagree. If you are running a bar and a nazi comes in with all their nazi periphranalia and orders a drink and behaves. You still kick them out. Because if you don't the next time they will bring all their nazi friends and it will be much harder to kick them out and then your other patrons stop showing up because of all the nazis around and now you are running a nazi bar.
  Ban hate trolls. Ban them immediately. Because if that content festers on the site it will be much harder to ban later.
  
  The problem is that by that point it will have grown beyond manageability. You know the "Nazi bar" saying.
  There's a bunch of people (who are Nazis) and they seem cool, quiet, well spoken, just having a drink. And they bring their friends and those guys are cool too. Then those guys bring their friends and those guys are less cool and now normal people don't drink at the bar anymore and you look around and it's a Nazi bar and you can't make them leave or they'll start causing "problems". So. I'm all for just using the brutal hammer of censorship.
  It's not a free speech platform and no one ever said it was.
  
  and not intervene unless it grows beyond manageability.
  I'd rather nip it in the bud. You're just letting things fester.
  
  1 rule on the internet: don't feed the trolls. Downvote them, block them, move on. They're not here to engage in good faith.
  
  So here's my issue here.
  This guy is clearly not a small issue. He's being as loud and obnoxious as possible.
  If there's nothing in place to deal with one huge troublemaker, what's to stop a dozen who come to Kbin and start making hateful communities?
  My concern at this point is that Kbin itself gets defederated because the other instances don't think it's taking moderation seriously.
  
  Wisdom ^

Is there a way to block seeing any comments or posts from exploding heads?
- You can block domains if you click on the domain next to the post, go to the sidebar and block it like a magazine
  
  That hasn't been functioning for me, I've had to go to each magazine individually to block them.
  If I click the button on the instance it doesn't do anything, I still see the posts in my feed. I've tried on a few of the non-english instances (since I don't know other languages).

Why do you care? Is kbin.social not a free speech platform? If not, I’ll find somewhere else to go.
I don’t even agree with these folks, but if people are going to start raising a big stink because people are saying things they don’t like, I’m out.
- I may disagree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death to defend your right to say it.
  
  until it's hate speech. then you shouldn't have the right to say it. because that makes you a dick-head who has broken the social contract.
- There's free speech in good faith, and the one in the bad. But that's not even about that. If someone's speech is basically "all trans people are a pedophiles and belong on the cross in defence of good christian values" (not a direct quote, just a representation) it's not free speech. It's hate speech and that kind of speech is not protected. Free speech is meant to protect voicing opinions. Thinking some people are not deserving of worthy living is not an opinion.
- Buh bye
- I don’t even agree with these folks if you sit at a table with 7 nazi that table contain 8 nazi

When I report his stuff it will go to him because he is the moderator of the magazin[e]?
When someone reported one of my posts (they thought it was spam) in my magazine I got a notification in my magazine panel, yes. No alert telling me there was a notification, but a notification.
Am unsure if admin likewise get a ping but almost certain they would be too busy to notice if they did.

People are allowed to have a difference of opinion. You don't get to silence people just because you disagree with them. Please do not go down that dark path.
Believe it or not there are people who do not subscribe to certain views, bur that does not make them "hate mongerers" anymore than the extreme opposition. It's only extremists and people who try to silence others for their views that are assholes. You live in a great big world full of a lot of differing opinions and that's what makes it beautiful. Silencing opinions because of your personal beliefs is not acceptable.
- complexity does not inherently make your argument better. "Slavery is is horrible and evil but free black people shouldn't have the right to vote" is a "nuanced opinion," but that doesn't mean it isn't racist and terrible.
  
  I agree in principle but that's not a great example
- If your "certain view" is that trans people, other queer people, and/or anyone left of Tucker Carlson shouldn't exist, you've opted out of the social contract of tolerance and should expect to be shunned.
  Tolerance is either a two way street or a suicide pact and I'm not here to watch people die so the worst dregs of humanity can spew their garbage.
  
  Whoa, I would never wish someone wouldn't exist anymore, wtf? Most moderate people I know just don't like the behavior, they don't hate the people... I know assholes exist who actually want to kill people who disagree with them but that exists on both sides of the aisle.
- "Disagreements" are for things like tax milage, or whether or not a school needs a new football field. "Disagreements" are not for things like, "jews should be gassed", or "trans people are all pedophiles".
  
  To be very clear, in my opinion, Jews should not be gassed (or otherwise murdered), and not all trans people are pedophiles (I don't know the stats, but I'd guess they're about the same as the rest of the population).
  Anyone who disagrees on the preceding two points has every right to openly speak their mind in a free society. And whereas their free speech rights are our own free speech rights, we must defend their right to freely state their opinions in all public forums. Free speech is not for ideas we like, but precisely for the ideas we dislike.
- If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. [...] for it may easily turn out that [the intolerant] are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; [the intolerant] may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive [...] We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.
  We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to [other crimes] as criminal.
  
  Exactly this why is this so hard for these motherfuckers to understand
- Disagreeing with someone having the right to exist is not an opinion.
- No, we’re not going to let shitheads like this ruin our community.
- Transphobia, racism, etc aren't an opinion. They are hate speech. Full stop.
  I am absolutely against silencing opinions. I am also absolutely in favor of silencing hate speech. Understand the difference.
  
  Racism is disgusting but transpobia? I don't believe that's hate speech. People can not like something but not wish death on the person or outright hate who they are as a person. People are allowed to dislike certain behaviors. It's not comparable to racism and its definitely not hate speech.
  
  What about when it's more nuanced like "I support trans people to do whatever they want, but I don't support transwomen in women's sports." Or "I am cautious about transitioning young children until we have a better medical understanding of gender dysphoria." Seems like many here would still consider my perspective to be "hate speech," which I, of course, find ridiculous.
- Look up the tolerance paradox and then suck my dick

Thank you for exposing all the people who want kbin to be just like Reddit. If that is what kbin turns into then it can join spez right where he belongs.
Your calls for censorship should get YOU and your peers in this thread banned.
- It's not censorship, it's keeping people acting in bad faith from easily act in derogatory ways actively harming people.
- Nazi Punks Fuck Off
- Go hang out on Voat, bigot

Those “antiwoke” people disgust me. I encourage disagreements. I don’t encourage thinly veiled hate disguised with code words. Tolerance isn’t “far left”.
- I agree, I think it's good to have a discussion, and polite disagreement is quite acceptable. But like you said, encouraging violence and hatred is not acceptable to me.
- Tolerance of evil kind of is far left.
  
  It belongs to the extremes, it is really worrying if you think that only in one of them.
  
  Tolerance of evil kind of is far left.
  @10A Hatred, bigotry, scapegoating of vulnerable minorities, lies, gaslighting, opposition to democracy and the rule of law is what defines the modern right. That is textbook evil, and you seem very committed to defending it. Look around, those left of you do not tolerate it. Almost every other comment is from people who want to block you or show you the door. Features are being added to this platform to specifically block your hate speech.
  The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant. Karl Popper described it as the seemingly self-contradictory idea that in order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must retain the right to be intolerant of intolerance.
  
  not really lol far lefties just want to use the bathroom without getting harassed or murdered
  
  It's a fucking circle, mate

If there's more people here like 10A it would be great if you could speak up so I could keep building my block list
- It's kind of impressive that that already have -2000 rep
  
  The more people who will get on the platform the easier it will be to shut the intolerant and bullshitters out.
  
  I just took a peek at that user’s profile. Saw what magazines they moderate. Not surprised we have a different point of view.
- I've got a pretty good idea of what the "A" in "10A" stands for.
  
  Amendment, if you must know.
  
  10 assholes?
- Sheesh, I know who that is already! I had them blocked ages ago. What a tool.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

Yeah I was worried this could become a problem, because I imagine a lot of chuds are turned off of lemmy because of the tankie devs. Which makes sense. But I don't think they should be welcome here, either. I'm trying to get away from that authoritarian shit, not get closer to the even worse kind of authoritarian shit.
- Hold on, I dislike authoritarianism too. Isn't it authoritarian to ban users and magazines for expressing views with which you disagree?
  
  If it's just about disagreement, sure. But it's not, it's about whether you accept the paradox of the tolerance of intolerance.
  
  Isn't it authoritarian to beat to death people expressing views with which you disagree with?
  Something which you all but advocated in the thread in question? You just want a platform to advocate far more extreme methods than bans.
  
  No. You can always fuck off to stormfront.
  
  Is TruthSocial just not up your alley?
  
  We don’t want you here, bigot.

cringe. grow up you fascist loser, go back to reddit
- Bigotry is not welcome here.

Its nice to see all the bigots popping up in one place. Makes it easier to block them. And we really need to get some instance level mods.

Yeah, I really hope that shit gets nipped in the bud.

I agree with others that you just gave that ps guy what they wanted: attention. You should've messaged ernest directly to ask him for better report tools.
Meanwhile, go to beehaw if you need better protection from people like him.

The frothing hysteria over "wokeness" (ie treating your fellow humans with respect) is just a smokescreen by the oil industry, which hopes it will take some pressure off it for, you know, slowly killing us all with global warming. You do know this, don't you?
I went through a young Republican phase, too. Then I realized that the party had nothing to offer ordinary people but contempt and cynical manipulation. Like telling people that they can be good Christians by doing the exact opposite of what Christ did. Like pitting Americans against each other for their differences. Like convincing people that the former president, a monster by any objective standard, is this country's savior when it's clear that he's just shaking the nation for loose change.
It's called "wokeness" because we finally opened our eyes, saw what was happening all around us, and decided to do something about it. You can either recognize the evil in this world, or become another oblivious victim of it.
- Every downvote is a sweet, sweet tear trickling down from the chubby cheek of an incel sociopath who was pre-emptively blocked. Delicious! Your agony sustains me!
- This is a literal conspiracy theory.
  
  It's not really. There is millions visibly spent on lobbying efforts against climate change, and invisibly stockholders invested in energy are board members of media companies. For example Jack Cockwell has over a billion dollars in Brookfield hedge fund, and that fund has been increasing it's holdings in energy for the last decade. There's some BCE board member that has millions of dollars in Wajax stocks (industrial equipment manufacturer), about half his net worth.
  If you talk about industries with influence on one another from the perspective of ownership, you'll find it's all very incestuous as the richest people will diversify.
  Weirdly, the people involved in Fox News only seem to own stock in FOX, but cash contributions to those people aren't shown in the market data I'm looking at. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places, but I'm not a finance person.
  
  And quite a creative one at that.

Ha, I blocked the worst offender in the comments here, refreshed the page and now there are like... 6.
- Ive decided not to block him so I can follow him around annoying him and downvoting everything he says
  
  lt;3
  
  Ive decided not to block him so I can follow him around annoying him and downvoting everything he says
  Perfect example of why voting should be public!
  Blocking him is the right answer, it's the right thing to do and solves the problem of him presenting posts you don't want to see.
  
  i disagree with him obviously, but this just makes us (the people opposing him) look bad, dont do that
- Hello, you who cannot see me. I'm all for blocks over bans.
- Block them too. They're not going to engage in good faith anyway.
  
  Oh, no no. It was that I blocked one person and there were only 6 other comments left (all fine) :D
  Blocking a person seems to remove any comment tree they're a branch in (i.e. their posts and all responses to those posts)

The mostly "reduced" posts in this thread open up a good time to discuss the benefits of federation in regards to removing problem users. Can we federate banlists, such that if, for example, you're banned from kbin.social for creating a community for hate speech, it also bans you from likeminded instances automatically?
Would be nice to form "zine alliances" to share the burden a little bit. Anyone who posts "end wokeness" stuff doesn't need to exist on any platform.

I'm tired of all this Left/Right fucking bullshit. Fuck you all. I don't give a shit.
People on the Right: THIS is how you radicalise people against you.
People on the Left: You, too. This is how you radicalise people against you.
AND NO "YEAH BUT ACKSHULLY" Foot stamping keyboard warrior escapades.
Fuck off back to fucking Lemmy or Reddit or Gab or Poal or wherever you fucking mouthbreathers circlejerk.
- Oh boy, an enlightened centrist!
  If you cannot differentiate between people actively stepping up to a literal anti-human propaganda from people posting it, perhaps you should fuck off, too.
  
  Oh boy, here we go with the enlightened centrists label. Disagree with somethings on the left and right and now you're also a huge problem. Bravo
- get fucked. politics shapes our lives, if you hate it so much don't use the fucking internet.
- This you?
- As a non-american, I find americans to be very intense when it comes to politics. I just hope that we don't start importing their culture war bullshit into our country.

Simply don't go to that magazine? Fuck, people....censorship is bad, but it sounds like kbin is committed to it. Is there a community I can join that has full free speech? This is a serious question.
- If you want to have a tolerant community you need to filter those out who are intolerant to others.
- 4chan
- It’s the paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate intolerant views in a space, quickly only the intolerant will feel welcome in a space. The series of now-removed Tweets screenshotted in this article do a great job of illustrating the point.
- Complete freedom is called anarchy.
- They don't exist, because everytime someone mistakes hate speech for free speech it turns the community into a giant cesspool.

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