Hiroshima marks a-bomb anniversary, calls nuclear deterrence "folly"
Hiroshima marks a-bomb anniversary, calls nuclear deterrence "folly"
TOKYO, Aug 6 (Reuters) - Japan on Sunday marked the 78th anniversary of the U.S. atomic bombing on Hiroshima, where its mayor urged the abolition of nuclear weapons and called the Group of Seven leaders' notion of nuclear deterrence a "folly".
I'm pretty sure if we didn't have nuclear weapons at all generally, we'd be in a world war right now or a continent wide war at the very least so in that sense so far they have functioned as a deterrent. Whether that's any consolation for Ukranians is doubtful
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Some have criticised the film for largely ignoring the weapons' destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - bombed three days later, on Aug. 9, 1945.
Also causing controversy in Japan, the distributor of "Barbie", a blockbuster released on the same day as "Oppenheimer", latched on to fan-produced "Barbenheimer" memes that depicted the actors in the title roles alongside images of nuclear blasts.
Hiroshima was in the spotlight in May, where Prime Minister Fumio Kishida hosted a G7 summit in the western city, his home constituency.
G7 leaders issued a statement expressing their commitment to achieving disarmament but said that as long as nuclear weapons existed, they should serve to deter aggression and prevent war.
About 50,000 participants in the outdoor memorial ceremony including ageing survivors observed a moment of silence, with the summer heat hitting 30 degrees Celsius (86 Fahrenheit)
"World leaders have visited this city, seen its monuments, spoken with its brave survivors, and emerged emboldened to take up the cause of nuclear disarmament," he said in remarks read by a U.N. representative.
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I've found the past few years that I haven't been aware of significant dates as they approach and pass by. Hiroshima day, Pearl Harbor day, Kent State day have all surprised me recently. Not sure if it's getting older or a sign of how ridiculous shit has gotten.
It's the last one. If you remembered every sad day, it would be every day.
Isn't nuclear deterrence preventing the use of nukes, tho? 🤔 I mean, it does this by having nukes around to launch because the threat is "you launch yours, we launch ours and everybody dies. Do you wanna die? No? Then don't launch a nuke." But it seems to be effective. No one outside of Japan when nukes first came out has ever been nuked by another country.
The only way we will ever remove nuclear weapons will be when we remove the threat from invasive and terrorist actions of other countries. We need an international force that is set up just to protect the status quo of borders around the world. With that we also need an answer to terrorism from foreign states. As soon as you make it impossible for an invasion to take place then you can guarantee that some states will head straight to terrorist acts for intimidation. Until all countries sign up to this, we must keep the deterrent.
Imagine how could be saved if we removed the need to spend on defence. Currently we spend $2.2t across the world on killing each other. It is a shocking waste.
Sure... as if there will be anyone who escalates with nuclear weapons against teerorists ever.
I don't know. I am confident that money will find a way. Look at the cost of the Ukraine war on China as well as Russia. It is in no one's financial interests to commit to a war these days. Putin is indicative of the world's weak spot. When individuals use their state for personal gain, everyone looses. If the world used a combined effort to prevent invasions by forcefully pushing invaders back into their countries, then even these types of actors can be neutered.
How have nuclear weapons helped us against invasive and terrorist actions?
Has it somehow stopped conflicts between major powers (NATO, Russia, China)? No more than would be expected from countries that don't really order each other and aren't pursuing aggressive territorial expansion that threaten each other.
Has it ended all wars? Obviously not, given that Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Ukraine all happened.
Has a nuclear deterrent made nations more peaceful? No, but globalization has.
A nuclear deterrent exists solely to discourage other nuclear-bearing countries from trying to cripple you. The only steady-state for this is that everyone who is under threat by a nuclear-bearing country will eventually develop nuclear weapons.
In recent history: the Americans because of the Nazis, the Soviets because of the Americans, the British because of the Soviets, the French because of the Soviets (and, to some degree, the British), the Chinese because of the Americans AND the Soviets (they really got unlucky here), the Israelis because of literally everyone (extra unlucky), the Indians because of the Chinese, the Pakistanis is because of the Indians, and the North Koreans because of the Americans. And of course, today Iran is trying to build up a nuclear arsenal to combat Israel's nuclear arsenal.
All your policy will do is incentivize everyone to develop nuclear weapons.
I really do not understand your comments? I am in favour of removing nuclear weapons. I also understand why we cannot without a unilateral understanding among all nations.
What is very obvious is that if we do not move in that direction, then some clown will learn how to make them, and then we will have a nuclear war.
Agreed. We dont hear enough for the US to confess to its war crimes, many of which are still going on today.
Yeah, what I know about Japan makes me think this is self-pity thinly disguised as humanitarianism.
Like, I agree that they shouldn't have been bombed, but I also think Hirohito and friends should have gotten the same treatment as top Nazis. Somehow I don't think these guys would like that position. Without reading this I bet they haven't really proposed an alternative to nuclear deterrence either.
It's something typical of the West.
Not really, we know and often discuss the bad shit we've done. The racists and bigots among us never want to talk about it though, so maybe that's who you're thinking of.
It's sadly typical of many countries but in some you can at least read about them.
Oh, OK, let's not go bringing up warcrimes on the anniversary that we unmade a city to prove a point.
Ww2 is over, let's try to move past it, we can bring all this shit up when someone tries to start ww3.