Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths, less than originally claimed
Israel social security data reveals true picture of Oct 7 deaths, less than originally claimed
A more precise picture of Hamas's October 7 attack on Israel has emerged from social security data, confirming the unprecedented scale of the violence but also challenging some initial testimonies.
All I can say is that both sides are wrong. Israel is an apartheid state. I was born Jewish but I do not have to side with Israel. I am far from an antisemite. Evil is evil.
Israel and Hamas are wrong.
Palestinians are simply victims.
Hamas definitely isn't in the wrong anymore. No rape, no decapitation, extremely targeted attacks against military.
These new numbers make Hamas look like angels.
Your comment is as wrong as two left shoes. Ain't nothing right about it.
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They claimed 1,300 were killed, and that number turns out to be wrong...
...meanwhile they've killed over 13,000 Palestinians. It's not an eye for an eye, it's genocidal murder.
It's over 18,000 Palestinians now.
And that's most likely an undercount. Those are the official numbers from the health department, and they only count casualties that go through their system. They don't know what's happening in IDF occupied areas, or how many bodies are still under rubble that nobody is able to dig out.
Don't include Hamas terrorists with Palestinian civil casualties.
They are two separate things, which are counted separately.
The Israeli estimates, with the assumption ALL men above 18 are "combatants", is that it's 61% civilian casualties. The real number is probably 90%+ civilian deaths because there's no meaningful targeting at all, there's endless reports of them shooting at anything that moves.
IDF definitely murdered a bunch of civilians with helicopter spray and pray.
I've seen mention of this a couple times but don't really know what people are referring to though I follow bourgeois and proletarian international news media. Do you know a source you could point me to about this?
Second one is in Hebrew, you'll have to use Google translate
Edit: here's an archive link to the second article
Murder and torture of unarmed elders, women and babit is purely heinous, no matter the scale.
1400 to 700 civilians.
Now lets invistigate why they are trying to hide how many the IDF killed of those 700.
I have seen two credible accounts so far: a tank killing 14 and another instance of 3 civilians allegedly being held hostage.
But I have seen credible accounts from witnesses indicating a lot of confused firing with no way to fully determine what the results were.
You guys don’t understand they were all decapitated babies and we totally have proof. It is just too bad to show you.
The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.
So? Does it matter if it was 1400, 1300 or 1139? It's mass murder anyway, and Hamas are still bastards for killing them. And Netanyahu is still a bastard for using it as a free pass on bombing Gaza. These numbers don't change anything at all.
Can one imagine a rave party with a thousand+ of people, and then imagine them all dead? Or a european-like district with housing, schools, shops for 13k people - you can see them on Google Maps, they were pretty sweet in spite of israeli politics - all leveled down to the ground. It's a rave party not unlike one happening near you, this neighborhood is not unlike yours. These people may not speak english, yet they share basic things with you, like, they could've liked the same songs, the same movies like you do, some of them could've even been trekkies. And now they are lost. They won't have a child, they won't share a funny story over drinks with friends, they won't build that birdhouse their elderly parents asked for. They are dead, non-existent, and all work put into making them proper adults is lost. And whatever it's a thousand, or a thousand of thosands, it's too much to ignore. Every person shot or slayed there is too much to ignore. There should be a ceasefire agreement first, it needs to stop.
I know right, imagine if it had been over 15,000 innocent people that had had their homes destroyed and their family and friends killed over something they had nothing to do with.
and then imagine them all dead?
Did that happen?
Also while atrocities were committed on October 7th, AFAIK there was no mass murder. And if you're wondering how so many people died then, there's an unknown but significant number of IDF-inflicted casualties in those 1139.
The exact number is only really relevant for historical purposes. Especially on this scale. At some point, a catastrophe like this really does become a statistic.
Large attacks like these cannot go unpunished, so the response would’ve been the same no matter the figure. Heck, even if it was a hundred people killed, that’s not something Israel could or should ignore.
And certainly, between the chaos, trauma and condition of some of the bodies, it’s obviously going to take a while to pin down an exact figure anyway.
Wow, a sane take!? I'm surprised that this popped up between all the anti-israel propaganda here on Lemmy.
Holy shit Hamas has a 1/2 civilian casualty rate this is fucking insane. And israel paints it as a "civilian massacre?
Reminder that Biden said "we can't trust Hamas death count numbers"