Has anyone ever had drives that lasted for decades?
I keep hearing people say that hard drives won’t last long and to always have backups. But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying drives consistently? Has anyone ever had a hard drive work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?
I have had many individual drives last decades at work and at home the problem is that the odds for failure are the same for each individual drive but if you have more drives the odds that YOU will see a failure increase.
It is like saying what are the odds or rolling a 1 on a 6 sided die
So think of it like having a PC with one drive, vs having a NAS which typically has 4 drives. The more drives you have the more likely it is that you will see at least one failure during the life of the drive.
We had an old Hitachi 9200 disk array stay up for about 12 years with maybe 1-2 disk replacements. Those were very well built systems and at the time, Hitachi companies manufactured everything in them from the drives to the paint to the screws.
I have a 200MB Seagate coming from the 90s that still works fine and it was untouched from 2001 to 2019. Yes, I had to buy MANY, MANY, MANY drives in the meantime, even if that drive didn't die.
When I started my first serious networking job, there was a syslog server in our datacentre that had been running nonstop for almost a decade. It was an ancient radiator-white supemicro 3u server with 6 SCSI disks. I decommissioned that server 7 years later. Those SCSI disks had been running nonstop for 16+ years without a single problem. The inside of the server was covered in black plastic dust from the slowly disintegrating case fans. Other than half the case fans not working, there was nothing wrong with that server.
I've more than once seen a scenario of a 386 or 486 box somewhere in the corner of a server closet that has been running untouched and uninterrupted since the mid-90s, performing some absolutely critical process, with no one in the company knowing exactly what it is. Everyone who could've possibly had a clue has retired decades ago.
The only consensus is to never touch it.
This is more common than many people imagine. And it's a ticking timebomb.
However, it also speaks volumes of the sheer quality of old-school hardware (and software). Most modern stuff has to be replaced (/rewritten) every few years. But there is more COBOL code running untouched from 3 human generations ago that our entire societies depend on than most people would be comfortable with.
I'm in the same boat as others that have commented -- I've got some old IDE drives sitting on my shelf, and every time I've ever pulled them down to see what was/is on them, they always fire right up.
I've never had any in continuous use for decades, though...
I also have an old IDE drive about 25 years old that's still working. My PC is about 20 years old and the mobo has 1 ide slot so I leave it plugged in for the hell of it. My PC doesn't run continuously but it has a lot of damn hours on it.
I have about a dozen that are about 10-20 years old. It's getting hard to find a use for them, but so far I just use them as a 5th level backup, write once. I also destroyed a bunch that were too small.
Yes. And I've had various drives die without warning, including SSDs, flash media, spinning rust. You never know when a power spike (or corruption, or bad luck, or a spilled drink or...) is going to come along and smoke your storage.
My 1GB (=Pentium 100 era), 20GB, 200GB IDE disks still worked when I connected them. Some have been unpowered for decades and saved in my shed. (-5 to 35°C and 60-85% humidity) I could open every single file on them that I tested.
I keep hearing people say that hard drives won’t last long...
Define long. Manufacturer R&D has shown that they can provide up to a 5 year warranty on some drives without the likelihood of excess RMA claims. During that period and beyond, for drives in consumer use, even for enterprise rated drives, there's too many variables of use.
...and to always have backups.
Mantra: Any storage device/media can fail at any time, for any reason, with or without notice.
But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying drives consistently?
Yes. Without proper backups (i.e. at least two, ideally with one set offsite physical or cloud), you're at N-1=0
Has anyone ever had a hard drive work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?
Unless you're never planning to add to your collection, you'll always come to a point where you need more storage space. I have some 40-200GB IDE drives that are over a decade old and would likely pass SMART, but the question is what would I use them for? Even the files I consider important are over 300GB and easily fit on single drives, so why bother splitting them up to multiple drives, increasing the likelihood of failure of one or more?
I keep hearing people say that cars won’t last long and to always have money for taxi. But if it is like that, that means you would have to be buying cars consistently? Has anyone ever had a car work for them successfully for a decade or even more where they wouldn’t have to be buying more?
you should always have backups as all tech fails but yes, I have drives from the 90s. not spinning all the time but still working when required. why? ancient small scsi drives for ye olde samplers and an atari. will replace with sd cards eventually which, ironically, are much less reliable.
The drives do not have any expiration data and etc. They just work until the failure, so some of them can work for 10+ years, some of them can fail in a few weeks. It is more about luck and, I think, workload.
You want to have backups with any drive, if the data is critical to you and you do not want to lose it.
Just like most things on reddit, overblown.... obviously we all have random failures. I have a Dell R510 with 12x4TB disks. I had one develop bad sectors and another have some kind of issue that was cause it to make the array lock up. I think it was an issue with its board on the drive.
At the same time I have another R510 that is my cold backup with 12x2TB disks... no problems. Almost all my disks are used pulled from the company I used to work for..... don't give a shit.
If you backup or have multiple copies of stuff, who cares if drives die.
Just have a few good practices and you should really only have to buy harddrives when they fail. I have drives that are from 2008 that I only turn on when I want to go down memory lane.
Have a few copies of your data. Original, backup, offsite backup.
Backups have parity or redundancy so if a drive fails you can replace it without completely rebuilding from backup.
Not all drives are from the same batch. This one’s more up to chance but if you get a bad batch of drives they will likely fail around the same time so it’s best to get them in groups if you are buying drives in bulk.
The only thing I notice about older drives is the speed. I would say the real reason most people constantly buy new drives is capacity. I could go out and double my capacity if I just replaced all my drives with 20TB drives. I have all 8tb drives in my setup but I plan on buying 16-20TB drives when they start to fail.
I still have old IDE drives (with the ribbon cables) that still work. I still plug them in on occasion to check the data on them because they hold a copy of very old cold storage data, and even though that's not the only copy of that particular data, as long as the drive still works and I have a means of accessing it, I'll still use it to store copies of data. The oldest drive I have is a western digital 4GB drive.
the smallest (and therefore oldest) Disks I have in my NAS right now read 9 years, 0 months and 23 days. Pretty sure I've got some in cold storage with higher power on numbers (and even older manufacture dates, of course).
I have an 800MB Seagate that gets powered on every once in a while, still read/writes just fine. Also have a 80GB X25-M Intel SSD that is used as a boot drive for an old winxp system
A laptop 1TB HD drive from a HP Pavilion laptop still running beyond 8 years (4 years heavy usage and 4 years left untouched), still has all the data and works great
In actual use? I've got two. An old 500gb and 1tb western digital drive that came from trash PCs In enclosures. They've been used as game storage drives for my Xbox 1 that I got around launch back in 2013. I feel old.
I just now had to get some data from a Maxtor 120GB IDE drive, that I filled 100% in 2003 and never touched since. Figured I'd check every byte on it while I was at it (testable data), and not a single thing wrong with it.
All 6 of my Western Digital Red drives for my NAS I bought in 2009 are still going strong. I hope they keep going bc I hear all kinds of things about hard drive buying issues that Im lost on.
I think my oldest disk may probably be either a decade or close to a decade old.
It is a WD 1 TB HDD with 24798 h of usage (2.83 years=2 years 9 months, 28 days aprox).
I used to store frequently used programs and files there, as well as downloads, so I had it on most of the time.
Out of fear of it breaking, at the beginning of this year I moved all that content to a newer disk and now I use this one to run Stable diffusion. It has not broken yet despite using it daily.
I have 2x 1TB drives from 2010 that are still functional, though I don't actually use them for anything important. They keep the latest disk image backup for a workstation, but the images are already backed up to a NAS.
I have a few IDE drives around for some of my experimental/ project pcs. 40gb or so.
I have also had to replace a 500gb or two in the raid5 array I use for main storage on my primary NAS.
I try to avoid buying things like 20tb drives on black Friday because if a drive is going to fail, it probably won't be while there is a sale going on and I do like have a spare drive on hand.
I did pick up two 2tb drives yesterday, but that is because I am finally at a point where I could replace a 2tb drive in an emergency. I still plan to run them mirrored.
8 years mark with my WD Red 3TB drives, still zero reallocated sector count. They were kept always spinning, I don't know if this influenced things for the better
I have had a couple of drives die on me in the first year. And I have a few drives that are approaching 20 that are still working (though another one did die a year or two ago). You don’t know when a drive is going to die, only that nothing lasts forever, so that’s why to have backups.
These are all drives that were plugged in and constantly on. For drives in cold storage, I would be even more nervous about whether the drive would successfully power back on after years of being off.
I bought maybe 100-120 HDDs of all brands and capacities since ~2001 and I believe 3 of them have failed so far:
- One 2 TB WD Black from ~2010 died after 3-4 years (one out of 20)
- One 2 TB WD Red from ~2012 died in 2021 (one out of 10)
- One 8 TB Seagate Exos (NLSAS) from ~2018 died recently (one out of 10)
All others are still spinning or have been retired due to their small size. In particular, eight of the 2 TB Reds are still in the server which is sitting in a dusty, wet, and cold garage. As I said, one has died, and one is a cold spare that has 0 hours despite being made more than 10 years ago.
Yes, the longest serving ones I've ever owned were from Hitachi. I've owned the Deskstar models from 1, 2, and 3TB capacities, which most were purchased as "gen 1" releases. All disks were in operation 24x7. Of them, from memory, looking at my purchase history and notes, are as follows:
2x 1TB - one purchased early 2007 on launch, and the other in 2008 - both were replaced with larger capacity disks before they died, probably between 2016-2017.
2x 2TB - one purchased in 2011 and the other in 2012 - one died on July 15, 2021, and the other was retired from active service in February 2023 for a Seagate Exos X18 18TB. The retired disk was used from May 2012 to February 2023 for mapped Windows Libraries and secondary program installations to offload the storage from the SSD boot drive.
2x 3TB - both purchased in April 2011 for use in a JBOD configuration with a QNAP TS-212 initially. In 2015, they were migrated to a TS-453A. In February 2018, one of them indicated abnormal sectors and were replaced with newer Seagate 10TB NAS disks in a proper RAID configuration. The non-errored disk was donated in late 2021 to my nephew in-law to use as a storage disk for games where it's still in use today.
Now for some more gory details that might make some people here uncomfortable.
!All the disks were purchased in the US initially and used within the US. !<
!The first 1TB disk purchased in 2007 was used in an external powered HDD enclosure for transporting FRAPS footage and other media related assets back and forth from uni. It was somewhat protected with a padded cushion lining the bottom of my backpack. After it served it's purpose, it was pulled from the enclosure and added into my tower with the 2nd newly purchased 1TB disk.!<
!Both the 1TB and 2TB disks were shipped via UPS in the Spring of 2013 from the US to Germany along with my Desktop PC and accessories. The HDD cages with the disks inside were pulled from the NZXT Switch 810 chassis, wrapped in layers of bubble wrap, and packed into the same box as the tower, surrounded by tons of packing peanuts. The chassis got damaged by UPS during the shipment with the left door being too bent to be put back on, however the HDDs were fully functional. !<
!Both the 3TB HDDs within the TS-212 were wrapped in a Corsair PSU black drawstring bag and placed, feet down, into my Samsonite soft shell carryon bag for my flight to Germany. !<
!All the disks did a pretty good job under the circumstances including multiple moves within Germany over the next couple years, and while being in use nearly 24x7.!<