Message from r/ukraine mods -OPSEC
Message from r/ukraine mods -OPSEC
Deputy Defense Minister Hannah Maliar published an urgent plea on her telegram (annamaliar):
"At the request of our military, I appeal to all telegram channels that inform about the operational situation at the front. Do not publish π news from the front live and day after day - ours get immediately covered after that. Well, such is the specificity of our enemy. Only after the information has been made public by the official speakers - the General Staff, the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Ministry of Defense. We all coordinate information prior to release with operational security units and directly with field commands."
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This is your reminder not to post or repost information or videos of Ukrainian troop movements unless it's from an official source or they are several days old. Videos without source will be deleted. There, apparently, have been cases where RU found out their position was taken by UA through OSINT and social media, handily with geolocation and all. These positions then got shelled.
Now, you might say that the videos are out there and the russians can geolocate themselves. That is true, but there is absolutely no reason to make it easy or to do the work for them.
You break OPSEC, you get banned.
This, of course, does not go for russian OPSEC breaches, russian positions, fire positions or handy videos by russian war bloggers showing russian troop concentrations. Please geolocate these as you please, as fast as you can, and spread them everywhere.
Dunno if this is OK. Just thought it might be helpful for this community? If not ok, just delete it.
I think it's an important reminder.
It's not so much a reminders but a notification that theyre planning to start something big. Likely the main part of the counter offensive, which up until this point has been staging.
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This should be norm for all Fediverse. Enemy positions may be okay, but friendly positions are not.
This should be norm for all Fediverse. Enemy positions may be okay, but friendly positions are not.
I don't think that you could do that even with the devs on board, and I suspect that at least one would probably consider "the enemy" to be the Ukrainian forces. Dessalines, the founder of lemmy and lead lemmy dev, seems pretty gung-ho on the idea that the USSR shouldn't have ended and objects to wartime support to Ukraine being provided, considers letting Finland/Sweden into NATO to be imperialism, and has a whole lot of other material there objecting to Ukraine associating with the West, Euromaidan, etc.
That fact is why at least some people wound up using kbin rather than lemmy (wasn't my reason, but I've seen people on some of the kbin magazines out of Eastern Europe really unhappy with him and not wanting to provide him with more influence).
OPSEC is important and not something that is talked about on the civilian side of things, I've noticed. That Russian convoy that got stopped at the beginning of the war and later shelled was a prime example of why it's important. The Russians thought they would be welcomed, so they were trying to get dates with some Ukrainian women while waiting. That lead to the obvious ending for the convoy.
I mean.. stop using Telegram, maybe?
Β―\_(γ)_/Β―Good luck trying to delineate what's an "official" source. Units publish their work all day and night.
Except when there's a blackout request such as this.
There may be the odd media that makes it out, but the vast majority abide by the rules because they understand the importance of OPSEC.
This is a new request regarding an immenant operation, not a reminder.
Thank you for clarifying.
Yeah have seen many similar questions of what is meant, and discussions like this in the old reddit world.
I think the message and intent is clear enough.
I think that message (the quoted one from "Deputy Defense Minister Hannah Maliar") is directed at primary sources, people who have access pictures, videos or information that isn't published, or people who geolocate already published footage, and go publish on (mostly) telegram.
I'd say no new, original, geolocatable content should be posted here before it was announced, including new geolocations of existing footage, but preventing content that's already out there from being published won't achieve anything other than pushing people away from this community.
Seriously, Russians aren't stupid as some of us would like to think, when stuff is on telegram they have it.
This should be norm for all Fediverse. Enemy positions may be okay, but friendly positions are not.
I don't think that you could do that even with the devs on board, and I suspect that at least one would probably consider "the enemy" to be the Ukranian forces. Dessalines, the lead lemmy dev, seems pretty gung-ho on the idea that the USSR shouldn't have ended and objects to support to Ukraine being provided, and considers letting Finland/Sweden into NATO to be imperialism.
The irony of the tankies is that they claim to oppose imperialism, yet support imperialist powers in their own right. It's a pity that Lemmy is lumbered with such selfish pricks at its core.
Oh, you mean that people who report on their own side's troop movements are traitors committing espionage for the enemy? Cool, good to know.
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Ah, another person with figurative Ukrainian blood on their hands.
Weird take away. They were just talking about basic OPSEC. Most of the time the "traitors" as you labeled them are supporters that don't know any better. We've had to change troop movements because social media gets word on it before we actually move. I've been in units where OPSEC is broken and we had to change our redeployment back home. We weren't even coming to or from a combat zone, but we still changed our return day just in case.