If labor would get the value of their production, but we still live in this capitalist hellscape, wouldn't the logical conclusion be that the owning class should take out rent for the tools and premises?
Or how would qualified tradespeople get access to tools and facilities to make factories?
And how would you price marketing, lobbying, procurement, and other supporting roles? If they should also be entitled to their labor, do they get some kind of profit share?
And how does intellectual property work? Are ideas worthless and only execution matter? Or does the architect, the project manager, the engineer, the scientist, get some kind of royalties?
I've seen the propaganda for so long I just never reflected upon it against today's knowledge based and networked economy, and now I find I don't even know how it would apply.
It's not that each individual person needs to directly get the monetary value of their production in pay. The point is that instead of an owning class getting the profits and the workers a nominal pay, it is the workers who own their place of work, and the profits are divided among everybody.
Thank you, I can at least understand worker cooperatives, as well as family businesses, homesteads, communes like convents and the like, from a maintenance perspective.
It might be that I'm too poisoned by capitalist thinking, and presupposing capitalist solutions to capitalist problems, but I welcome perspectives, even of my own blindness.
But say we want to create a new electric car manufacturer. This requires a wide range of specialties, tools and coordination.
Would the worker co-op need to buy all the things needed to even get started? Or how does investment happen?
Or is it that risk capitalists should exit not by selling to the stock market, but the laborers?
Ah, duh, that's how bank loans work, I see now.
I still don't understand how this applies to intellectual property though, the person who designed the car, do they only get paid for the design as long as they co-own the company? How does it work for the pilot project engineer, are they not entitled to part of the profits from the subsequent production runs that are arguably the fruit of their labor?
And how do we compensate the scientists discovering the fundamental principles that require decades of work to implement, but then transform society?
I'm thinking Babbage/Lovelace creating the computer, whoever discovered concrete, quantum physicists, but also those who provide support for work like road layers, city planners, and teachers.
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Hey there friend, I see you're unhappy about people making everything about politics. I'm going to go ahead and make this conversation about politics, because you're a bad person so fuck you.
The main feed here is worse than Reddit when it comes to anti capitalism. Like every 3 or fourth post across the fediverse is some version of 'capitalism bad lets eat the rich'.
This meme's community is from a Solarpunk instance, which is somewhat inherently political, and is very much Anarchist. We're not big fans of capitalism here.
Project management is a type of labor. Workers can, of course, delegate decision making to project managers as long as these managers are ultimately democratically accountable to the entire body of workers in the company
You can't build something with only labour. It takes organization. Give a crew plans to build something and someone will have to step up from that crew and manage things, all of a sudden that one guy is no longer labour he's management.
Fiat paper isn't real. It's nothing more than a complete delusion swindling you and your entire time in life being stolen by people who do NOT work. EVER.