3w ago

What makes a country real/not real?

I see a lot of people saying that countries like Israel, Latvia, Belgium and Dubai are not real countries, but how are they not? They seem to meet the threshold. How are they any less real then any other country?

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Out of the ones you mention, Dubai is in fact not a real country and I have not seen anyone claim that it is; it is a city and region of the country called the United Arab Emirates.
Israel isn't universally recognized by all countries because some countries claim it is illegitimate (for religious reasons, because they say it is a colonialist project, etc. etc.).
Belgium is a country with different parts speaking different languages also spoken in neighboring countries, that is why some people have claimed it's not (culturally) its own country, but I don't think anyone seriously refuses to recognize it as a country.
As for Latvia, no idea whatsoever what you're talking about.
So the question as asked is unanswerable because you're giving confusing and inconsistent examples.
- "Out of the ones you mention, Dubai is in fact not a real country and I have not seen anyone claim that it is;"
  I swear to god I read a wiki article about the state of Dubai. I've also seen other people talk about it as if it's a country.
  "As for Latvia, no idea whatsoever what you’re talking about."
  A lot of communists don't like the three Baltic states, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. They calm there not real countries for some reason. They say the same for the Ukraine.
  "So the question as asked is unanswerable because you’re giving confusing and inconsistent examples."
  The examples I gave didn't matter. I was asking a broader question about what makes the country legitimate or not.
  
  Dubai is likely the most well-known part of the UAE, so you may have heard people mention Dubai as if it were a country (because the audience might associate more with "Dubai" than "UAE"), without them meaning to imply that it's a real country.
  There are certainly irredentist movements in many parts of the world that want to restore previous states of geopolitics, including the existence of the Soviet Union.
  A country is ultimately a country if it is recognized as such by other countries. There are videos on the Internet that give greater details (search for keywords like "how many countries are there"). There are many places that some other countries say are countries, others not.
Legally: if any other countries recognize it.
Morally: no country is real. Nationalism is a mind virus.
The Map Men explain it better than I could:
How do you start a new country? https://youtu.be/hX4s1ZLW_PI
There are NOT 195 countries https://youtu.be/3nB688xBYdY
And just for fun...
The mystery of the squarest country https://youtu.be/8mrNEVUuZdk
(Yes, I'm a big fan!)
- Map men, map men, map map map men (men men)
~~Dubai is a city and the capital of the UAE.~~
Edit: Dubai is the capital of the Emirate of Dubai, an emirate of the UAE. The capital of the UAE is Abu Dhabi.
- But on Wikipedia it says it's a country?
  
  The emirate of Dubai a state (not a country)inside the UAE similar to how California is a state inside the USA.
  
  Are you thinking of the Emirate of Dubai? It's not a country either. Also, I was wrong about Dubai being the capital.
The amount of countries that recognize it as a country. Yes, it's circular logic. That said, if they act independent of other countries, they are likely a country whether recognized or not.
For a fun side topic, take a look at Micronations
There's a set of "official" countries that legally recognise each other, but in practice any group that has a local monopoly on the use of violence (so, trapping people in jails without going to jail for it, basically) can be equivalent. In fact, some of these have partial recognition, like Taiwan, Kosovo, or the non-official half of Libya.
Israel, Latvia, Belgium and Dubai
That's such a mixed bag.
Dubai is part of some kind of confederation (the UAE), and doesn't even claim to be a full country. Israel exists, but there's a lot of controversy about how it's managed that. Belgium exists, but doesn't have a unified cultural identity the same way as most European countries. Finally, Latvia exists but Russia doesn't want it to, although I might be missing something about how distinct it is from Lithuania.
How is any country more real than any other?
- That's what I'm asking.
Mainly if other countries believe it is a country and treat it as a country. You can look at Taiwan as an example. For all intents and purposes, it acts as a country. Yet, almost all countries do not classify Taiwan as a country, so it isn't really a country.
In modern days, recognition of being a country is generally handled by the UN as it is an organization of countries which recognize each other.
https://vimeo.com/128427174
I don't know if the rest of that series is available, but there you go.

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