Testing the Waters
Testing the Waters
Testing the Waters
Why do libs always settle on Republican framing? It's embarrassing.
I think you’re simply missing the entire point. It isn’t talking about how great deportation was under democrats, it’s saying that deportation is just the cover for Trump pushing soldiers into states that generally disagree with him.
Because (economic) liberalism is a right-wing ideology. What'd you expect?
Because that's what majority of voting americans respond to.
Exactly. I think celebrating any deportation is a bad look because the left should be against borders and authoritiarian violence no matter what form it takes.
That's not the flex you think it is
Yeah it really isn't, it's funny that this came from a leftist page too, comparing deportation numbers and favouring democrats because they deport better (lol)
No, but it puts this into perspective that clearly the plan here is to usurp power and consolidate it into the executive branch. If that wasn't already clear to people. Me personally, I dont think immigration is a problem like at all. But not everybody feels the way I do. So I'd prefer we focus on the existential threat rather than point and laugh at the democrats for doing what people wanted them to do.
The fuck makes you think this is a flex?
How Many Migrants Are Crossing the Border
As part of the current fiscal year that began in October, there were 309,114 migrant encounters that month, 308,669 in November and 371,036 in December. In December, about 300,000 migrants—nearly 10,000 per day—came into the U.S. through Mexico, including about 250,000 between ports of entry, according to Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data. Federal border agents encountered about 2.5 million migrants in total last year, surpassing the previous record high from the year before.
Immigrant: Hello I’d like to enter the country with no visa, passport, or other documentation.
Border guard: I’m sorry you can’t do that, you’ll have to go back.
Headline: Obama deported 3.1 Million immigrants!
Lemmy: How terrible Democrats sent ICE gestapo to round up 3 million hard working taxpayers from their homes and workplace!
Snopes rates the claim "US deported more than 3M people during Obama presidency. Most did not have chance to plead case in court" as mostly true. I truly do not understand how your characterization of these deportations follows from the link you posted and your quote from it.
Well let's break it down then, per your link. The number they deem "mostly true" comes from a couple of sources, one of which is MIgration Policy Institute.
One of MPI's principal findings is that the deportation system has dramatically changed over the past 19 years – moving from a judicial system prior to 1996, where the vast majority of people facing deportation had immigration court hearings, to a system today of nonjudicial removals, where 75 percent of people removed do not see a judge before being expelled from the U.S.
So let's look at that ". . . moving from a judicial system prior to 1996" - what happened in 1996?
Well according to this,
The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) was a momentous law that recast undocumented immigration as a crime and fused immigration enforcement with crime control (García Hernández 2016; Lind 2016). Among its most controversial provisions, the law expanded the crimes, broadly defined, for which immigrants could be deported and legal permanent residency status revoked. The law instituted fast-track deportations and mandatory detention for immigrants with convictions. It restricted access to relief from deportation.
Now I'm pretty sure you can grok it from here but for the sake of wrapping it up:
The document noted that nonjudicial removals included "expedited removals," "reinstatements of removal" and "stipulated removals," clarifying that stipulated removal orders "are signed by an immigration judge, but typically do not involve a removal hearing." . . . This figure originated from the DHS's 2013 Annual Report "Immigration Enforcement Actions" (Page 1), which shows that 44% of removals that year were expedited removals, while 39% were reinstatements of prior removal orders — together accounting for roughly 83% of total removals during that fiscal year (Oct. 1, 2012 to Sept. 30, 2013).
And finally
As outlined in DHS documents, "expedited removal" refers to the removal of a noncitizen "who is inadmissible because the individual does not possess valid entry documents or is inadmissible for fraud or misrepresentation of material fact." Under this process, individuals may be removed without a hearing before an immigration court.
So
I truly do not understand how your characterization of these deportations follows
It follows thusly: People who appear at the border without paperwork (visa, immigration status, asylum status, other) are not subject to trial, they can be turned away. Additionally, people without paperwork who have already been told to leave but have not can be removed without trial. This is not based on Obama's policy. This is based on a law from 1996, which as you well know is before Obama or Biden became President.
These bureaucratic legal walls to immigration are not particularly fair much less ideal, but they are a reality of a national border. In particular, that border policy from 1996 changed the way it had been handled for decades up to that point and created the system Obama inherited which he abided by. He did not carry out raids the likes of which we've seen in the past six months and he did not sanction them, which is what the comments about the meme are suggesting.
My point, then, is that there can be "3.1 million 'deported'" based on a very loose definition of a practical daily event at the border, or related border findings, and it does not mean the insanity and chaos of ICE and associated Constitutional quagmires as created by this idiotic administration, where they're removing people who have visas, who have residency status, who did not commit fraud, etc. etc.
But people don't want to look at nuance in any way shape or form, and the so-called-left would rather take that loosely-worded mostly-true fact and demonize the Democrats so that they can pat themselves on the head for being ultra-left-überprogressives who don't need to vote. I disagree with it.
Not that I have a horse in this fight, but how many migrants don't pass these border guards and live in houses completely undocumented and unbeknownst to the US government? It's difficult to get stats on things you don't know.
In any event, nobody is illegal and there is no world where any kind of violence or threatening of livelihood is warranted.
This is embarassing why would you post your Ls
well it also proves that Dems are also evil
Yes, and yes people should push for them to be better... But there's far too much "bOtH sIdEs" that happens and then we get literal fascists in power.
They are, it is funny that they use their own evil as an argument to support them
Illegal immigration is a thing, and countries have a right to protect their borders. It doesn't, however, cause all of society's ills like the fascists are claiming, and the main difference is that Democrats followed due process.
Immediate deportations probably should not count on this number. That is where they are caught crossing or right after crossing and then sent back.
Clearly, Trump is unfairly criticized for the deportation if he needs to call the marines just to do the same things democrats always do. He's the real victim here.
The real question is why the hell did democrats buy into this obsession with deporting people who live and work in our communities and not question the alarming ideology at the heart of the growing fear democrat politicians dutifully did their job to stoke alongside their more passionate Republican colleagues and friends?
No, still more concerned about the existential crisis in front of us. We can worry about the immigration thing later. Hell, im all for people being here. Immigrants tend to make communities better, not worse.
That's like thinking "I need to do something about the guy trying to murder me, I'll worry about the knife he's holding later". You cannot beat fascism with almost fascism; the real thing will always win that fight.
Democrats want to win elections, and voting population of America is an mass very cruel, majority of americans want to bring suffering to other people, and wouldn't consider a candidate that doesn't promise at least some violence.
Not with that attitude they won't