Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy (cross post)

So we're just going to take a comedian who is totally under the control of UA Nazis and US financial barons at his word? This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war. I know they're getting desperate, but we have to hope that they know where the line is.
- This is either a blindingly stupid lie, or the US and NATO are preparing for a false flag attack which could well lead to nuclear war.
  That's a false dichotomy. Russia has been threatening to use nukes all the time. Threatening to blow up a reactor is just more of the same.
  
  That's simply not true. Russian nuclear policy is exclusively retaliatory. They haven't been making threats, but simply reminding the warmongers of the west that there are lines which must not be crossed. This has been the Russian and Soviet nuclear policy since they developed nuclear weapons technology. The threats are coming from the west, namely the US which does have a first strike policy. The US continues to threaten Russia by stationing nuclear weapons ever closer to Russia's borders. It's almost like nobody knows why the "Cuban" Missile Crisis started.
  If anyone in the west would actually listen to Putin and Lavrov instead of putting words in their mouths, we'd all be pretty clear on what second strike nuclear policy means by now, as well as what the Russian objectives are. Instead we're taking obvious western atrocity propaganda at face value and not even bothering to ask the very basic question of who gains by telling this story.
  We can only hope this story is "just" WMDs in Iraq or babies in incubators levels of atrocity propaganda myth making, and not Gulf of Tonkin level false flag preparation. Then again the US side has already executed many of their previously prepared false flag attacks in this war. Hopefully the MacArthurs in the room don't win this time.

"If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said. It said the Ukrainian army stood “ready to act under any circumstances”.
In his nightly video message, Zelenskiy said Russia was planning to “simulate an attack” on the plant. “But in any case, the world sees – and cannot fail to see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia. And no one else.”
Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions"
- "If detonated, they would not damage the reactors but would create an image of shelling from the Ukrainian side,” the statement on Telegram said.
  Not gonna lie, that's pretty smart. Now if Ukraine decides to start shelling the plant, they can just pretend that it's actually Russia that detonated some charges.
  I think that's a pattern we'll start seeing more and more.
- Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
  I'm starting to see a pattern here...
- EDIT: i removed this comment previously because lemmy hiccuped and registered the one about bridge selling twice.
  And despite it being empty, it still recieved 23 downvotes.
  This is how factual discussion with liberals is.
  
  So, you said something dumb, and it's everyone else's fault? 🤣
- Zelenskiy and the Ukrainian military provided no evidence for their assertions
  Judging from the comments, he could probably finance that entire war just by selling bridges to liberals -_-

Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they're winning the war? This is another atrocity by the Ukrainian military to muddy the waters and try to attract yet more international support like the dam bombing.
- Why would Russia blow up the NPP when they’re winning the war?
  Right, but they are not, they are ~~barely holding~~ losing ground.
  
  Imagine being so utterly misinformed to think that Russia is losing the war. Let's just see what somebody who actually has a clue thinks https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine
  
  And causing a nuclear disaster would help with this how? PS: When you hold part of your opponents country that means you're winning.
  
  Meanwhile in the real world
  https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/22/politics/ukraine-counteroffensive-western-assessment/index.html
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/06/27/25-tanks-and-fighting-vehicles-gone-in-a-blink-the-ukrainian-defeat-near-mala-tokmachka-was-worst-than-we-thought/?sh=1f4bf1777918

Hopefully this just ends up being another nothingburger like last time there was talk about a Ukrainian dirty bomb several months ago.
- Well, well, well. It looks like it was indeed a nothingburger. That's a relief.
  
  NAFO trolls are very disappointed.
- You mean like when Ukraine claimed Russia put explosives on that dam that now is gone?
  
  You mean the same dam that even western media acknowledged that Ukraine was shelling?
  
  No I mean when there was talk about a dirty bomb several months ago. The dam wasn't a nothingburger, hence why I didn't reference it??

yeah sure.

How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame that? "Ukrainians are Nazis and so we took over their nuclear power plant because we (though we) could. Now they want to destroy it, incurring an immense ecological impact to mostly themselves, because if they can't have it, better be dead too"?
- How is the Russian propaganda attempting to frame a completely baseless claim without any evidence and that make no sense, is that seriously the question you're asking here?
  
  https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3731486-russians-spreading-fake-news-about-ukraines-alleged-plans-to-attack-znpp-with-drones-intel.html
  The Russians are not making it easy for themselves, aren't they?

Imagine genuinely thinking that Russia blows up their own infrastructure for no reason. The fact that this is a serious topic of discussion in the west shows that any sort of critical thinking has been eradicated at this point.
- It's not their own territory
  
  It's literally territory they've annexed from Ukraine. And anybody who actually paid attention for the past month can see that Ukraine is in no position to take any territory back based on how their offensive is going.
- Really? They also once had a hydroelectric dam. Just don't post...
  
  You mean the hydroelectric dam that even US admitted Ukraine was launching missiles against? Just don't post...
- As far as Russia is concerned, Zaporizhzhia is Russian territory and there is no chance of Ukraine actually recapturing it. Anybody who thinks that Russia would cause a major nuclear disaster on their own territory is beyond reason.
- Yeah. They value their stuff so much. Particularly their own soldiers.
  
  Sure more than Ukraine who've been throwing theirs into minefields. If they didn't value their soldiers they'd be doing what Ukraine is currently doing. Instead, they spent the time building defences and training their troops.

NAFO trolls downvoting every voice critical of Ukraine, I see you.
- And thanks to blocklists we won't have to see you ever again :)

Russia has been making the same claims against Ukraine since at least november 2022 in front of the UN.
Such an attack would benefit Ukraine since it's more likely to cause NATO to get involved. Don't forget that.
- Which way is the wind blowing?
- NATO benefits the most in not getting directly involved. Don't forget that.