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Reddit sues Anthropic, alleging its bots accessed Reddit more than 100,000 times since last July

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3w ago

Reddit sues Anthropic, alleging its bots accessed Reddit more than 100,000 times since last July

www.theverge.com /ai-artificial-intelligence/679768/reddit-sues-anthropic-alleging-its-bots-accessed-reddit-more-than-100000-times-since-last-july

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3w ago

Reddit sues Anthropic, alleging its bots accessed Reddit more than 100,000 times since last July

www.theverge.com /ai-artificial-intelligence/679768/reddit-sues-anthropic-alleging-its-bots-accessed-reddit-more-than-100000-times-since-last-july

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I don't really understand the grounds for a suit here mostly because
It's publicly available information. They may "own" it but anyone can access it for free right?
Didn't ai training companies already get away with using copy written ip to train their models? Ex: movies, tv shows, ect.
- What's not to understand? These ass holes say they rule the galaxy, I disagree.
Oh but Reddit the fraud is coming from inside the house
In their TOS, they own anything you post there. Didn’t they sell or scrape data of all its users in the recent past when they changed their TOS?
They’re guilty of the same shit
- That's the basis for this lawsuit though. Reddit adjusted its ToS to forbid anyone but their explicitly approved business partners to scrape Reddit data.
  I believe Google is the only company legally allowed to scrape Reddit data for AI training usage. Anthropic isn't.
  
  Did Anthropic accept the ToS? Reddit's publishing their information on a public website that anyone can visit and read without agreeing to any terms. If they didn't accept the ToS then the only thing regulating what you can do with that public information is the usual copyright. AI training has yet to be shown to be a violation of copyright.
They just want to make sure the users that make up their content are properly compensated, right?
Right, motherfuckers?!?
- They want to make sure the other companies they already sold out their users to for AI content scraping are properly compensated.
They can't do that to our users! Only we can do that to our users!
I’m a little surprised they let me delete my account after they permabanned me, and that deleting my account deleted all of my 18 years-worth of posts and comments (and not just my username/profile). All that data they want to train their bots on, gone (at least publicly, anyway).
- I would imagine that your records are flagged as deleted in a DB, but they are still being used to train models for those that are paying.
  It does at least stop bots from scraping, but at that point, I'd almost rather have bots scrape just to create more overhead for Reddit and to lessen the value for the people paying for premium access.
- Same here. Oldest account was 12 years and I had 2 alts.
  Got permabanned on main but was still able to delete the account. Deleted my other 2 as well.
  I can still browse subs if I want to I just can’t interact. Browsing now doesn’t mean I’ve agreed to anything.
  Oh well, these are headaches I’ll never have to worry about
- Last bit is key. They would’ve just set it to invisible.
- You're not deleted and nothing is deleted.
  Ever been to an old post and it says posted by [deleted]? That's what Reddit do.
  The only route is non-paricipation on the platform
- Thanks for reminding me. I have to do that before the new TOS kicks in. I just never bothered to do the reset password dance because I don't care about reddit anymore.
Let them fight.
For people leaving Reddit: you need to scrub your posts before you delete your account. Or replace them with random nonsense is even better.
If you delete the account first, your posts stay, your username is just updated to "deleted".
Scrub, then delete. There is software for this also, but I am not familiar enough to suggest something.
For anyone familiar with "pillage, and then burn" same idea here.
- biggest problem is that API and post history only goes back 1000 comments. If you have ever made more than 1000 comments, the only way you are going to scramble them as nonsense is if you manage to find a permalink.
  
  Wait, really? Thats a massive issue, and I didnt see any comments about this back in 2024 when everyone was migrating here and scrubbing their reddit accounts.
  
  Can you just use a web driver with Selenium or something to get the permalinks the way a human would and then scrub them that way? It's not efficient but it's only really a one-time use tool anyway so if it works then it works.
ai companies should be in favor of expanding the fediverse because we dont have the resources to fight legal wars against them taking our posts and comments and training their stuff on it
just a random thought
- You imply they’re not already here. All it takes is setting up a server that’s federated with common endpoints and then sucking everything in via ActivityPub. No need for scraping.

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