Fight or flight

Shouldn't that tell you something? Both parties share the same end game, they just want to go about it differently. They want to win and we have to lose to make that happen. Bernie actually wanted to fix the problems Americans deal with. None of the others think you deserve it.

I never thought the movie The Distinguished Gentleman was a documentary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Distinguished_Gentleman

Sure your wrong democrats are not fighting trump
- Nah you just have geriatrics like Chuck Schumer who believe it’s his job to make the left wing like Israel and in doing so, has completely failed to represent what democrats actually want and promotes corruption because at least Gaza is losing.
  We could have, or would be much closer to having better laws without cunts like that in office.
  Reps are awful, but Dems are equally guilty of the sin of enabling this evil to thrive.

Bernie threatens their way of life, which is making money doing nothing of note.

This is such bullshit.
Democrats aren’t fighting Trump.
- That’s the joke…

In plenty of countries the Democrats would be considered a right wing party, the US does not have a true left party
- I feel like after what happened in Germany recently that doesn't hold as much water. If the average left wants to defend socialized healthcare and tax the rich, then the Dems are left.
  
  Democrats don't want to do either of that. Folks like AOC and Bernie should realistically be on their own party.
  
  Yeah, years of pandering to fascists by elevating their topics, repeating their lies unchallenged and also blaming everything on "the foreigners" shifts politics to the right and far right. Doesn't mean that it shifts what is left and what is right.
  You can have countries full of fascists. Doesn't mean the "moderate fascists" now get to define what is "left".
  This "logic" of course is peddled by the US Democrats and amplified by the Oligarchy. Also the US Democrats dont want to tax the rich. Over the past Decades they have shifted the taxes from capital to income. There never was a proper healthcare system in the US and Obama defended not creating a proper one when he had the power because "muuh Jobs".
  
  That is such an American view on politics.
  A right wing party doing well in one election, does not shift the entire political spectrum for all the other parties. Specially not when you have a parliment with six or so different parties.
- Create one, and all it will do is suck away Democratic votes, further emboldening Repblicant fascists.
  
  What if…. (and hear me out) the Democrats were actually left wing?

It still baffles me that Cory Booker spoke through the night to inspire people…and then voted to confirm Trump appointees anyway. I do not understand what goes through these people’s heads.
- Performative Politics.
- $$$$$$
  
  You think he was lobbied directly for the confirmation?
- Both things had about the same amount of impact, honestly.
  Would you rather watch horrible people enter office without any say in it or would you rather at least get a word in and have them make promises? Even with every dem voting against they can still afford to lose 3 votes, and Mitch "The Reaper" McConnell was the only Republican to vote nay on 3 candidates.

Maybe stating the obvious here: their interests are more aligned with Trump than with Bernie.
- Just sadness washes my body these days.
- We desperately need electoral reform. There’s no issue with moderates existing. The issue is that currently the choice is either moderates or fascists. And the fascists are quite adept at portraying the moderates as authoritarian communists.
- What a profound lack of any knowledge of legislative history.
  
  I'll admit it's a bit of hyperbole but the amount of effort they put into shutting Bernie out left me with quite the sour taste.
  
  What a profound lack of class consciousness and knowledge of political repression.
- I genuinely don't think so. I just think they're incompetent when dealing with Trump.
  (Edit: meh, I've seen what makes you cheer)
  
  They're not incompetent, they're complicit. They care more for their career and finances than they do for any cause.
  
  Yeah. Can't expect a politician to know what it means to vote for or against a law, or candidate. That is just a level of incompetency. Totally isn't complicity to vote alongside Trump...

Becau$e

Trump is a rival in the same sports league. Bernie sometimes dares to question whether the league should even exist
- Bernie Sanders is not an Anarchist.
  The DNC is a decrepit old manager and Trump is the guy who buys out the enemy team on credit from foreign banks.

I was just telling a friend, both sides want the same thing, money. The difference is, one side is willing to kill for it, and the other side is always willing to look away.
- Why did Democrats ban large campaign contributions from 2003 until 2010 when the SCOTUS overturned the law?
  
  Who was president from 2009 to 2017 and could have passed a different law? Who was president from 2021 to 2025?

every time i bring up the DNC railroading Bernie in 2016, i get brigaded by status quo idiots
- They did the same in 2020 then did away with all pretenses of input in 2024 and just told us who the candidate was going to be
  
  ...controlled oppostion doesn't sound as dirty, does it...?
  
  Hate to defend them, but that’s not really an accurate portrayal of what happened in 2024.
  Biden should have announced he wasn’t running and allowed the primary process to play out. If he hadn’t, then the DNC should have overridden him. It’s unbelievable that they didn’t anticipate or care that Trump would win again.
- I'm sorry that bringing up how absolutely not even close both of those primaries were makes me an idiot.
  
  It's almost like they were, until the Democrats put their fingers on the scale. Weird how that turned out.

They make more money ‘fighting’ trump.

Democrats don't work for us.

I know what you're trying to say. But Barney commands in army of five-year-olds. There was a story a few years back about these kids attacking someone dressed in a Barney costume because they did not sound like Barney.
Barney is more frightening than the realistic looking T-Rex
- I get what you’re trying to say, but a real Tyrannosaurus rex is far more frightening than that.
  
  Difference is that Barney is walking among us while the Trex only threaten the cleaner by falling over and crushing him
  
  Not really. They’re kinda slow and I’m pretty sure that 6bore bear slug is gonna take care of the overgrown chicken.
  Granted… said 6bore would likely take care of the fake one, but I’m not willing to find out. The horde of. Randy lovers, they’re the terrifying ones in this calculation.
  And that means big bird is more terrifying than either!

When fighting Bernie, Dems are fighting with a base that is already aligned with them - ie one that they do not have a strong fear of alienating with their positions or attacks.
When fighting Trump, Dems usually fight with the idea that there is a significant group of 'moderates' which can be swayed in this country, and thus cannot be offended under any circumstances.
The problem is that there are 'moderates' in this country that can be swayed, but that the civility politics approach of the Dems does jack shit to lure most of them. They vote on vibes, and Dems try to avoid any vibes at all, to be the most milquetoast, least unacceptable choice possible to present.
- They haven't even considered that maybe 50% of the US population doesn't vote because they feel like neither party has their interests at heart!
  If they swung further left and got an actually progressive candidate who wants to fix the problems in this fucking country, I'm willing to bet everything that they'd win.
  Hell, what got Obama in office was precisely the fact that he campaigned on hope and progressive ideals! He didn't end up sticking to those ideals though, but that's another story.
- When fighting Bernie, Dems are fighting with a base that is already aligned with them - ie one that they do not have a strong fear of alienating with their positions or attacks.
  They should seriously reevaluate that because they have and they continue to alienate large numbers of people. This is an undeniable fact at this point.
  No argument from me on the rest of your comment except for one small thing. The moderate that they're chasing is a mirage, and doesn't actually exist in the way that they think it does. These "moderates" don't actually hold moderate views when questioned about what they believe and what they would support. Progressive economic policy positions are overwhelmingly popular across the board, and many who call themselves moderates tend to have socially conservative or even regressive views.
  
  They should seriously reevaluate that because they have and they continue to alienate large numbers of people. This is an undeniable fact at this point.
  Yes, I agree.
  No argument from me on the rest of your comment except for one small thing. The moderate that they’re chasing is a mirage, and doesn’t actually exist in the way that they think it does. These “moderates” don’t actually hold moderate views when questioned about what they believe and what they would support. Progressive economic policy positions are overwhelmingly popular across the board, and many who call themselves moderates tend to have socially conservative or even regressive views.
  I would caution this with that wording matters very much to these moderates, and the support of 'feel-good' progressive policies (like universal healthcare) evaporates once objections are raised in the public sphere (like "Would you support universal healthcare if... the GOP candidate said it was going to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS!?" or even realistic issues, like "if taxes went up a small amount").
  I would go so far as to agree that these moderates don't hold moderate views, in the sense of having a 'middle ground' position, but say, in addition, that they have very little real policy positions at all, and that whether they think immigration needs to be loosened or if there's a crisis on the border depends almost entirely on what side of the metaphorical bed they woke up on a given morning.
  They will express opposition to gun control, demand the banning of 'assault weapons', and then vote for a pro-'assault weapon' ballot initiative, all in the same breath. Civic education in this country is... severely lacking.
- You're telling us the stories that the Democrats tell us, but they know and we know that it's fiction. Democrats, politicians of all kinds, always risk alienating some voters when they make major policy decisions. That's unavoidable, and to pretend that the only group that matters is the invisible center is obviously fallacious, which we've seen time and again. I would say that's what we learned in 2000, 2004, 2016, and certainly 2024.
  I would say we learned it, that we all know it, and that people who pretend otherwise are lying to us.

democrats need more irish

They didn't try to put Bernie in jail. Or shoot him.
- They didn't try to put trump in jail or shoot him.
  A prosecutor, a judge and a jury were in charge, and even then, they treated him with unconstitucional special conditions, and he avoided jail.
  A republican tried to shoot him.
- God I wish they'd have actually tried that with Trump.

Imagine still simping for your guy after he lost his primary almost ten years ago.
- Imagine the Clinton campaign, the DNC, and mainstream media colluding in 2015 to boost Trump as a pied piper candidate because they thought he was "unelectable" - and Hillary losing to him.
  Oh wait, that's reality. You don't need to imagine.
  
  That was ten years ago and you haven’t moved on.
- "Imagine believing in something"
  I'm as anti-conspiracy as anyone with two braincells to rub together, but simply believing that Bernie was unfairly treated and that he would have been a good choice for the country does not a simp make. It just means you had the gumption to believe in the consistency of a politician who'd spent some 30 years walking-the-walk and talking-the-talk.
  The nomination was not stolen from Bernie - even getting within ~10% of Clinton was a miracle. Bernie was unfairly treated by the Dem party establishment - they did not want Bernie to win, and were not shy about that fact. These are not mutually exclusive positions.
  
  That’s not the bad part it’s clinging to a now eighty-three year old as if he’s the only savior when he hasn’t even spent the time mentoring someone to take over his own seat much less built a movement it kind of sad.
  I’m a fan of term limits so he shouldn’t even be in government anymore we need someone with fresh ideas.