dumbass rule
dumbass rule
dumbass rule
Also, don't forget the entire story is about fighting racists who want power to wizards, but only pure bloods.
But Rowling is racist as fuck.
Why write these books? When you clearly are on Voldermort his side in real life?
But the books completely fail to present racism as something that needs to be stopped.
I mean, why is Slytherin still a House? They're explicitly evil and bigoted, and everyone is like, oh well, that's just how they are.
Rowling could have made it make sense. She could have said that because Slytherin's trait is ambition, and people often take that too far, dark wizards tend to be Slytherin, but they can come from anywhere. And also, most Slytherins are actually good, even though that's where the bad wizards tend to come from.
But no, every dark wizard is Slytherin, and every Slytherin is bad.
Snape isn't an example of a heroic Slytherin so much as he's an unbalanced stalker who sides with Dumbledore while still being a terrible person. I could overlook that if even one other Slytherin was good, but they're just not.
Draco Malfoy's redemption arc was the opportunity to redeem Slytherin. Instead it ends without him ever actually doing anything right. His evil plan fails because he sucks, then he gets saved by Harry and everyone's just cool with it.
After all the death and destruction, everyone just goes back to school alongside the wizard Nazis. Because the bigotry and all the things that led to Voldemort just aren't a big deal as long as they stop short of full-on war.
You hear about a few slytherin who are bad, because they had some interaction with Harry. You didn't hear about all the others, who didn't support the dark wizards. Not all dark wizards were slytherin either. And many slytherin didn't support the full blood ideology.
IIRC Professor Slughorn was a decent Slytherin.
Harry didn't meet any good Slytherins during his school years, that's why there weren't any talked about in the HP books. But then his son got sorted into Slytherin.
I personally suspect that she may have been better back in the 90s and 00s, remember she has been chumming it up with brain rotten rich profligates who are fueled by suffering for decades at this point. While she most likely still had shit opinions they probably got amplified over time combine that with the internet and you have a rather toxic concoction. Also on average notable rich people tend to not be the quiet types who keep to themselves funding weird little projects, they tend to go insane like Howard Hughes.
My great grandfather wasn't worth a fraction of that type of wealth and started going through it, though he combated that type of insanity by traveling around the world. Somehow made friends with someone in the upper elements of the Soviet Communist party during that time.
It's wild to me how progressive HP felt compared to the underlying "conservatism good, actually" message underlying it. How the hell did a whole generation of kids miss that? Poor reading comprehension? Or is it that the US is so regressive that English conservatism feels progressive?
thinking back about my experience with hp i didnt have the political understanding yet, to notice the injustices that i was not suppose to notice or question and i did not notice that the presented solutions are all kinda non-solutions.
all i saw was that hp fought against injustices like the fantasy nazis and that they liberated this one poor mistreated elf and became friends with the kids who were looked down on, while showing those mean nazi spawn bullies of. in a way hp has the simplistic analysis of good and bad that a child might have. while also being a flawed kid.
There's a great breakdown on YouTube by Shaun on the Harry Potter books, but one of the things that I like that he points out is that you can basically watch JK's political stance change in real time as the books progress.
When she started writing them, she was "impoverished" (to some extent she also benefitted from help like living in a place owned by her sister for free), and the story starts out railing against the system and those in power. As the books took off and she began to benefit more from that same system, the plot began to be more about how the system is great and shouldn't be questioned, but only the right kinds of people should have power. If you're a Good Guy, you can use the Killing Curse and it's okay because you're a Good Guy. If anybody else uses the Killing Curse, then they're a Bad Guy and that's horrible. The wizards keeping magic away from the Muggles, a power that could solve many of the world's problems, is a bad thing at first, but Harry goes on to become a magic cop to enforce that very same ban at the end of the series. There are tons of examples in the story.
I mean when you look at Harry Potter through a magnifying glass it's actually very pro status quo with a lot of issues breaking down to "the wrong people in charge" a lot of gestures made towards the sort of social problems of the society... Like look at house elves. We meet Dobby and everyone agrees that slave holding situation isn't ideal but once we meet more house elves we learn that Dobby is kind of a weirdo and that they are effectively a sentient slave race with only exceptions like Dobby taking issue with being bound. Hermione sees this as a legitimate issue as any potential elf could be a Dobby but then great detail is placed about how annoying and virtually pointless her advocacy is but the rest of her society and the framing effectively informs the reader - "don't think about house elves. Dobby is fine. It's not your problem and shouldn't be." It's framed as a problem to be solved on a small scale interpersonal basis because by and large the system works.
It's generally difficult for people to critically read a narrative that throws up that many hairpin bends particularly when the set ups are made in the book that these things are social problems... but then never paid off. That it happens a fair amount innthe books is a fairly confusing yarnball. It feels progressive in the same way a company mission statement that is not being enacted in any real way feels progressive.
I mean, I don't think that framing is out of line for the age range of the protagonists.
Yes they are saving the world, but they're not exactly politically connected, aware, or savvy to initiate policy change.
So Hermione does what most middle or high school kids do. She advocates and protests.
It's framed as a problem to be solved on a small scale interpersonal basis because by and large the system works
I dont get this phrase after the because
A big problem is that early on it's teased Harry would become this "Anti-Voldemort" figure who renews the Wizarding World and completely restructures it, and then he just becomes a cop and maintains the same status quo that got his friends killed.
So foreshadowing that doesn't pay off because JK sucks at writing mostly
I mean, when I was reading the books as they came out, I expected “oh yeah obviously he’s gonna overturn the corrupt order and we’re gonna pay off on this whole elf slavery plot, which surely is written comedically just because an unflinching representation would be far too dark for a kids series.” That’s how stories like this usually end, after all.
And then, uh, it didn’t do any of that.
So I think it’s something like “it’s fairly generic, the other stories in this genre skew left, and nobody expected it to have a weird aggressively-centrist swerve a decade later.”
Is not conservatism but peak liberalism, where the problems aren't the power structures but that the people on power are not good enough. This is why at the end of the series no structural changes are done, the only thing that changes is the people in power is the Good Ones(R).
How the hell did a whole generation of kids miss that? Poor reading comprehension?
In my case, probably, but I was like 14 by the time I read the last book so I don’t really blame my younger self because at that age I definitely wasn’t looking for any deeper meaning and just enjoyed the fantasy and escapism.
It didn't skip past me, even as a kid, in the perfect age bracket to grow up with the book series.
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Oh, fat and ugly people are always also internally, morally, unfixably flawed.
Oh, the super blonde aryan coded people are magic nazis.
Oh, a base level of magic racism is more or less normalized.
Oh, those elves are slaves but its ok because they actually really love being slaves.
Oh, the banking system is run by cariacatures of Jews.
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I noticed all this shit as a child, and was pestered and guffawed at for pointing it out.
This is before I even knew 'Trans' was a thing that could and does exist, before I even knew that you could be gay or lesbian or bi.
I still was, as recently as a few years ago, poopoo'd for mentioning these problems in Harry Potter... by the ... Potterhead/Disney Princess/Goes to Disneyland once a year people I used to know, who self describe as all over the gender rainbow, but aren't capable of acknowledging that these problems exist, because magical escapism apparently requires full doublethink... and those people would also routinely hypocritically mock my own mild cisgender nonconformity.
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Yeah, the Overton Window in the US is/was so thoroughly shifted rightward, in so many ways, that 'we can have a story line that involves magic' was considered widly progressive, compared to the baseline of 'Pokemon cards are demonic because they involve evolution' and 'DnD is demonic because roleplaying is impossible and it makes you a Satanist Witch/Warlock'.
EDIT: Well, hey, here's a recent Youtube video from Holy Koolaid that does a decent job explaining the mass satanic panic / religious paranoia of the 80s and 90s in the US:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A8otomGEZCY
American political history is ... remarkably distinct from other democracies in how often its tendency toward conspirsicism and mass paranoia... becomes a driving force in our culture and politics.
So distinct in fact, that we now no longer live in an actual proper democracy, thanks in large part to Q Anon and derived nonsense... which has always been a sort of meta, uber, grand unifiying conapiracy theory, with many overt religious features.
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Animorphs was more progressive and mature.
Here kids, time to learn about the horrors of war, first hand, as told by a teenage terrorist group!
Things are shitty and messy and unpredictable, and the world revolves around how youand others handle morally gray, fundamentally complex scenarios, not cookie cutter, simplistic good vs evil decisions that are far less difficult to evaluate!
Can you explain the "conservatism good" message you see?
the bankers in book one are literally a bigoted analog for jews.
an entire swath of story is about “mudbloods” and race mixing and some characters railing against it.
there is actual slavery.
stuff american conservatives are all pushing as ideas in our current world.
it's a very British conservatism. it's about blood. the story has people constantly accusing Harry of having bad parentage; as his aunt says "bad blood will out". a left leaning story would have shown that blood had nothing to do with it. Harry was not raised by his dead parents regardless of how good or bad they are. Harry knew trauma and abuse, then was given his values by Dumbledore and hagrid and lupin and his friends.
but that's not what happened. in the end it's not that blood and lineage doesn't matter. it's just that his parents were actually high class and wealthy. so Harry won because he had good blood and was the chosen one. he won because of the innate quality he was born with.
I can't speak for anyone but child me was a dumbass.
Think of the age that these books were meant to be read by.
If you think grade 4-6 children have that large of a world view….
The final book is about 2" thick and contains depictions of torture ... what age do you think that was meant to be read by?
And it's that last book that cements that the only problem with the magical society is that someone bad got to be in charge ... Harry gets to be a wizard cop who will send people to a prizon of horrible torture, all the slaves are happy being slaves, the banks are run by greedy little monsters with big noses, and that's how it's supposed to be.
Books presented to young readers can help them to form lasting impressions of how they see the world if, like most people, they don't think to question it. My Mum thought Enid Blyghton books were just wonderful, for example.
I think media literacy definitely played a role, but I also think theres a lot to unpack here on why this could be the case. I dont think its a simple one dimensional answer at all
Americans aren't taught to think.
Americans aren’t taught to think.
Your statement is not true. Proof: I think you're right. But I'm American so I must be wrong because I wasn't taught to think. If I'm wrong that you're right, then you must be wrong. QED.
Depends on the area, and community. It's probably more accurate to say most Americans aren't taught to think critically of the status quo.
Jessie Gender has a video where she explains gender with Hogwarts houses as a metaphor. She filmed it before JK went crazy and uploaded it much later with an explanation how long ago she filmed it
I've never been able too reconcile the writer of HP with the person she has shown herself to be.
The books are still good, the movies are still good, the author will not be remembered.
If the kids ask, she's as good as gone. Might have never existed.
the author will not be remembered
Why? Seems people still know Pol Pot, Hitler, Jimmy Saville, and many many more.
We shouldn’t try and write people out of history, else we are prone to repeat it. We should remember people for the good and the bad.
Bit of a reach but uhm... sure...