Germany turns first asylum seekers away at border

Even if you would think that were a good thing - which I don’t - there is no business case justifying spending all this money on border controls, impacting travel, increasing congestion and pollution just to ’catch’ 19(!) “illegal” immigrants. Even the numbers don’t add up.
Also: Nobody is illegal!
- It's sad that people looking for better life are illegal
  
  It's absolutely not illegal to look for a better life in another country. What IS illegal is crossing the border without using the proper immigration procedure.
  Seeking refuge is different from immigration... the right for asylum is there to give you the opportunity to escape a dangerous place and stay TEMPORARILY in another country
- Nobody is illegal
  I hate this so much...
  The thing is: YOU might not be "illegal", but entering your neighbors house without his consent indeed is illegal.
  What would you do if a random number of strangers would tomorrow at noon decide that it would be a great idea to just enter your house?
  
  There is a huge difference between your house and a country.
  
  The right to asylum was put into the constitution because many victims of the holocaust where denied entry to other counties before getting rounded up and killed.
  If a stranger is running down the street, chased by a guy with a blood soaked knife, would you let them in?
  Edit: spelling
  
  ITT: someone who understands fuck all of what makes the world run.

Immigration isn’t the issue; xenophobia is.
- The issue is that colonialism has depleted the resources of many countries and destabilized them, thus making them unsafe for many today Of course people will try to stay alive by fleeing those conditions. And it's outrageous to turn them away. Us westerners have it good BECAUSE they have it bad. Doesn't matter that nobody alive today is responsible for colonialism.
  
  There's other problems too of course. Like the war in the Congo has nothing to do with a lack of resources and everything to do with greed over the plentiful resources. Also ethnic disputes.
- Immigration is an issue too.
  Immigration drives up rents in cities while at the same time giving the economy cheap labour and keeping wages down.
  As long as immigrants are not guaranteed the same wages as citizens and are not distributed across the country, including the country-side, immigration is a net negative. The only ones profiting are employers and retirees.

I will not accept this injustice as long as bavarians and swabians are still free to roam germany as they please.
- Good point!

Hinweis: Uns fehlen noch immer 200.000-300.000 Migranten um unsere Pflege und Sozialsysteme weiter zu unterhalten. Wäre halt geil gewesen, die Menschen die hier ankommen, schnell in Arbeit zu bringen. Nichts integriert besser als den Menschen die Möglichkeit zu geben, sich etwas aufzubauen, damit sie etwas zum verlieren haben. Wer auch noch einem Jahr sich noch nichts aufbauen konnte, hat nichts zu verlieren und wird sich nicht integrieren.
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  /f
  
  Oh right, sorry about that! Got too carried away and angry at the stuff being told here
  
  what would be the correct response to a comment in german? Because responding to it in another language feels wrong to me.
- Ein Freund von mir hatte 2 Zusagen für eine Ausbildung in der Altenpflege, hat gerade ein BFD in der Pflege gemacht, Integrationskurs gemacht, großes soziales Umfeld, war super engagiert, einen großen Kreis Unterstützer*innen (privat und aus der lokalen Politik) und wurde ca. eine Woche bevor er eine Ausbildungsduldung beantragen konnte abgeschoben. Und das Amt wusste genau, dass er das alles hat.
  Edit: Zu der These, dass wer sich nach einem Jahr nichts aufgebaut hat, sich nicht integrieren wird: Da möchte ich scharf widersprechen. Es wird Menschen unglaublich schwer gemacht sich zu integrieren, sowohl von Amtswegen als auch gesellschaftlich. Dazu noch Menschen, die vor etwas geflohen sind, traumatisiert sind, krank sind, oder zig andere Gründe, die eine Integration erschweren.
  
  Es ist Montagmorgen und Geschichten wie diese bringen mein Blut zum kochen.
- Aber die nehmen uns die Arbeit weg! /s
  
  Nehmen alle Ausländer uns nun die Arbeit weg oder sind sie alle faul und beziehen nur Harz4? Nazis sollten sich schon mal entscheiden.
- Ja und die dummen faschos verstehen diesen super simpeln und leicht ableitbaren Ansatz nicht.
  
  Nah, they just believe we'll be making 300.000 additional kids a year instead.
  Edit: Switched to English.

a fricking tragedy, and sadly one we all already saw coming when Merz was buddy-buddy with AfD on this very topic.

i fucking hate this timeline.

This legitimizes the argument to those "promoting" and benefiting from making immigration a central political issue. Not smart.
- I fear we already crossed that line some time ago when the established parties used immigration as the scapegoat for pretty much everything that supposedly goes wrong in the country. Now it's really hard to go back.

Disappointing but not surprising.

Bild reported that over two days, authorities also detained 14 smugglers, carried out 48 open arrest warrants, and apprehended nine individuals under extremism laws targeting hard-left, far-right, and Islamist ideologies, among others.
Holy shit. Two days. Imagine how many more criminals and terrorists they're going to find if they retain this policy. Previously these people just came and went as they pleased.
- Yeah, that totally sounds like a lot in a country of 84m. /s
  
  I don’t understand what you’re arguing. That because Germany has 84M people they should just let smugglers, people with open arrest warrants, terrorists, and extremists into the country as they please? Why? That seems crazy to me.
- And how many potential retirement fund payers got turned away? How many nurses to wipe your ass once you're old?
  Of course you're going to find more people with an arrest warrant on them if you check every single person. That's a no-brainer. But what are you paying for that?
  
  It doesn’t look like any were turned away, but please correct me if you have another source. In this case it’s hard to imagine those smugglers and terrorists were about to turn their lives around and begin taking care of elderly people.
- Is this really coming to Lemmy now? Jesus, wtf

Well done, Germany.
Edit: /s