I could do with less of these "once in a lifetime events", please.
I could do with less of these "once in a lifetime events", please.
I could do with less of these "once in a lifetime events", please.
A lot of us are 40+ but I appreciate your meaning.
And gen-x has lived through everything listed and more. Boomers even more. Think gen-x gets to retire? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one!
Whenever I meet a fellow Gen X in the wild, they seem to fall into one of two categories. If they were born before the end of the Vietnam War, they are upper middle-class douchebags who film anti-woke TokTok videos in their Dodge Rams. If they were born after the end of the Vietnam War, they are solidly working-class and just quietly depressed about everything.
I'm obviously generalizing here, but older Gen X does seem to be far more Boomerish, and younger Gen X is just... Lost.
You should talk to those Catholic dudes who have been around since 1840. They have seen some things.
Yeah I was going to say, I'm 41 and while I seem more like gen X since I mainly hang around with them and basically grew up around them, I am sadly gen Y.
On a side note, millennial has such a bad connotation around it I prefer to say gen Y. Most people don't associate their negative feelings about millennials with the term gen Y and it just makes life easier during the rare occasions that it comes up.
I think a lot of it is bullshit. I am 45, early 1980. My mom was 17 when she had me. Her parents were Silent Generation, early 1936 and late 1939. Mom and Dad were cusp boomers born in late 1961. Her parents raised me with my cousins who were all 1970-1975 kids. I have two brothers who are cusp gen Y&Z, born in early 1995 and late 1996.
I am firmly Gen X in my upbringing and socialization but when my cousins went off to College I got a bunch of Gen Y friends and my experiences changed. I introduced them to The Meat Puppets and Husker Du and they introduced me to Blink 182 and Green Day.
My little brothers are Gen Z stereotypes raised by a couple of Gen X stereotypes but technically they are Gen Y and Boomers
My point is the dates don't mean shit, it's the environment and the influence. When I talk Generations with people I just tell them I am a Xeinal 1977-1983. It saves me from having to listen to someone tell me I am Gen Y when I have almost nothing in common with Gen Y.
This long unsolicited rant is over lol
Looking at the pixels and layers upon layers of compression artifacts in this photo, it wouldn't surprise me if the original was created at least 5 - 10 years ago, meaning it would have accurately included all millennials at the time it was made.
It's missing working 3 jobs to survive and still being called entitled and lazy
What idiot was calling you entitled and lazy?
Pre-MAGAts
All of Fox News
"Maybe Millenials should save money instead of spending it on avocado toast" was a very common sentiment at the time.
Haha nobody directly although my parent has alluded to me being lazy at points but moreso I meant like all those "opinion" pieces and articles talking about these new generations blah blah etcetc
Y2K wasn't that bad compared to the rest
In hindsight. There was some degree of hysteria at the time, which prompted ended at the turn of the millenia when planes did not fall out of the sky and computer systems did not all fail in unison.
Nothing personal, I try to correct this view everywhere I see it.
Y2K didn't happen because a lot of talented engineers worked their asses off to prevent it from happening. It is the bane of IT people everywhere that the working state of the systems they create and maintain is being taken for granted by the public, with barely a thought givem to those who fight bugs, spam, cyber attacks and pure entropy every day. It is in fact a minor miracle of engineering that we're even having this conversation.
the Dot Com bubble burst + World Trade Center in 2001 was another animal
Y2k was a non event because a lot of time, effort, and money was spent fixing it before the deadline.
The estimated cost of fixing the bug was between 300-850 billion dollars in 2000 - adjusted for inflation that's about 0.5-1.5 trillion dollars
The estimated worldwide cost of fixing the Y2K bug, according to analysts: Cap Gemini America Inc. — $858 billion; Gartner Group Inc. — $600 billion; International Data Corp. — $300 billion.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/1372100/some-key-facts-and-events-in-y2k-history.html
There was that one guy who got charged $60k in late fees at blockbuster though.
Y2K wasn't that bad because a billion engineers saw it coming and prepared accordingly. If everyone hadn't been freaking out about it for years beforehand things could have gone very differently.
Not really as it would just be another Crowd Strike
Comparatively, sure it's small potatoes.
If anything it was a misdirect.
When the world/news goes crazy, it's probably not actually that bad. Surprise mothetfucker!
Whenever I hear a new term I have to figure out if it's really that bad, or just made up nonsense.
Pretty sure we are in a "unofficial world war 3" considering how there's like 6 countries at war
Russia vs Ukraine
Israel vs Palestine
India vs Pakistan
Americans vs America.
Does US vs the world in economic war count?
That too economic warfare.
The dot-com burst was a recession too.
Oh, and you are ignoring the entire thing where every currency except the dollar was destroyed in the 90s.
Also, history ended in 1986. It seems you didn't get the memo. It would have been typed and nailed into your local clipboard.
Also, history ended in 1986.
Imagine thinking neoliberal Western Democracy was the final and ultimate expression of ideology.
They did though! These idiots thought exactly that.
Downvote away, I've been having these conversations for 20+ years. I remember what yall said.
To be fair, it were the Marxists that started with the entire "end of history" bullshit.
I am not religious, but I like the substance of this quote by C.S. Lewis: "If we are all going to be destroyed by an atomic bomb, let that bomb when it comes find us doing sensible and human things —praying, working, teaching, reading, listening to music, bathing the children, playing tennis, chatting to our friends over a pint and a game of darts—not huddled together like frightened sheep and thinking about bombs. They may break our bodies (any microbe can do that) but they need not dominate our minds."
There are always wars, rumours of wars, plagues, natural disasters, but the work remains the same as it has been for much of human history.
well said, thank you for this
Bird flu is scheduled before WW3 so plural plagues
We already had bird flu check your records
We've had one bird flu, yes, but what about second bird flu?
I don't have that in my calendar for some reason. Fucking Google.
Add a housing crisis, the construction of a corporate surveillance state, a fascist takeover and the impending employment apocalypse of AI implementation.
Aint it great!
We're also closing in on a potential second plague here with bird flu since there's been a concerning surge of infections in cats and the current regime is refusing to act on it.
Don't forget the return of measles, as well as even more e-coli and salmonella outbreaks as food safety is curtailed.
"Anthrax - snort! - alright!"
Seems like we got a bit of a party going on in the us rn lol
Gen X checking in. Here's a list of world crises just in my lifetime. This is by no means a comprehensive list:
1975 - 1990: Lebanese Civil War
1976: Tangshan earthquake (China) - 242,000+ deaths
1979 - 1989: Soviet-Afghan War
1979: Three Mile Island nuclear accident
1980 - 1988: Iran-Iraq War
1981 - Present: HIV/AIDS pandemic
1983 - 1985: Ethiopian famine - 1 million+ deaths
1984: Bhopal gas disaster (India) - 15,000+ deaths
1986: Chernobyl nuclear disaster (USSR)
1987: Black Monday stock market crash
1989: Exxon Valdez oil spill
Late 80s - early 90s: Recession
1990 - 1991: Desert Storm
1991 - 2002: Somali Civil War & famine
1992 - 1995: Bosnian War & Srebrenica massacre
1994: Rwandan genocide - 800,000+ deaths
1999: Columbine High School massacre (the beginning of a trend)
2000: Y2K
2000: Recession (Dot Com Bubble, etc)
2001: 9/11
Early 2000s: Recession (Fallout from 9/11)
2001 - 2021: Afghanistan War
2003 - 2011: Iraq War
2004: Indian Ocean Tsunami - 230,000+ deaths
2005: Hurricane Katrina - 1,800+ deaths
2007 - 2008: Global Financial Crisis
2008 - 2009: Great Recession
2009: H1N1 swine flu pandemic
2010: Deepwater Horizon oil spill
2010: Haiti earthquake - 160,000+ deaths
2011: Tōhoku Earthquake and Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Disaster
2011: Arab Spring uprisings & Syrian Civil War begins
2014: Ebola outbreak (West Africa) - 11,000+ deaths
2014: Russian annexation of Crimea
2015: European migrant crisis
2017: Hurricane Maria (Puerto Rico) - 3,000+ deaths
2019 - Present: Covid19
2020: Australian bushfires - 3 billion animals affected
2020: George Floyd protests & global BLM movement
2021: January 6th US Capitol riot
2022: Russian invasion of Ukraine
2022: Pakistan floods - 1,700+ deaths, 33 million displaced
2023: Turkey-Syria earthquakes - 50,000+ deaths
2023 - Present: Hamas-Israel war and open genocide
2025: Global Trade War
The first third of this list took place during the Cold War, when WWIII and nuclear attacks were a real fear. Add in climate change, the discovery of microplastics in everything, the world seemingly embracing Fascism again, and a whole slew of other shit, and it's no surprise that suicide rates have increased almost 40% over the past 25 years.
We didn't start the fire.
It was always burning, since the world's been turning
No we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it...
Did we fuck
Another one for the list in early 1980 when US tried to start a nuclear war with Russia and that's when the doomsday clock was born. They told kids ‘just roll under a desk if a bomb drops’
Yes, a nuclear bomb. The same as the one in Hiroshima.
My high school had a fallout shelter. I had English classes down there.
lol hot damn. Gen X started off with some bangers. They just on going for millennials.
Guess what? I was born 1995. So my life as a newborn was spent in a shelter. Same again as a 4 year old toddler. Now that's fate.
Yeah, but I think we're going to get a participation trophy. I've been raised to believe this is the case, but that we should not be proud of it, because we're actually garbage.
And climate change
Do people not remember that they didn't have cars until like 1920? Do people not understand that most roads weren't paved until like the 50s? It's foolish to think we're the only generation living through lifetime events. Motherfuckers they were people that went through World War I and World War II. They were veterans of World War 1 that enlisted in World War II. There are people born in the fifties that lived through the computer Revolution. Do people not understand that the internet is only 30 years old?
Yes. They do understand. Its just that These events get closer to each other more and more.
I know he is a fictional character but Colonel Potter in Mash served in ww1, ww2 and Korea... There are real people that had that experience.
as a gen Z I still don't get why Y2K was such a big deal
Computers were not designed to roll over the year. This would have caused the dates to roll back to 1900 or some day in the past, breaking any logic doing math on dates.
The programming community made huge efforts to fix this problem, and they did across many sectors.
The fact that people don't understand how big of a deal this was is due to the efforts of those that did and were able to correct it.
The media talking about power outages and nukes launching due to Y2K was standard news hype/fear mongering during a crisis with rather boring (to the layman) causes and fixes.
the people problem of any crisis.
If you did nothing, and it becomes a big problem, everyone riots over why you did nothing about it.
If you raised awareness, busted ass, and prevented the issue from happening.. then everyone riots over how much of a "waste" it all was since nothing happened.
Computers were not designed to roll over the year.
I get that, but I would assume that this only applied to a few old systems? Didn't programmers in the 80s want to make sure that their code would last for more than 20 years? And people knew Y2K would be a problem so they had plenty of time to fix the issues right?
It was actually a bit of a big deal. Luckily it got figured out with enough time to fix it before it really effected anything. They were pulling cobalt programmers out of retirement to fix old systems and auditing anything important for years before 2000.
Because all software at that point was unable to handle the new date format. Imagine if today, all computer systems had widespread issues at the same time, on the same day. The only reason nothing happened is because people did their jobs.
Hope this helps.
Not even close to all software. There was a broad mix of stuff that used 2-digit years that would have had problems with it, stuff that used 2-digit years where it wouldn't really impact anything, and stuff that used 4-digit years and so wasn't a problem.
However, if it drove any sort of critical infrastructure, it had to be audited just in case it fit in the first category.
Don't worry. The one happening in 2038 should be worse.
Thanks for bringing this up; I hadn't heard of this issue. I just looked into it and the Year 2038 problem is similar to the Y2K issue, for anyone else curious.
The year 2038 problem (also known as Y2038, Y2K38, Y2K38 superbug or the Epochalypse) is a time computing problem that leaves some computer systems unable to represent times after 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038.
It’s less about the y2k bug itself and more about the cultural phenomenon. It was everywhere, and it was huge, and then absolutely nothing happened. It was the best possible outcome AND the funniest possible outcome.
With stuff like that, it hits different when you live through it and it’s part of popular culture for years. It leaves grooves in the ole neurons.
In contrast I could think about how terrifying the Cuban missile crisis must have been. The fiery end of the world could happen at any moment and everybody knows it. And we even find out afterward that the world was basically saved by one Soviet service member. I can empathize with living through that, but since it happened long before I was born, I don’t have the vivid memories of the actual emotions invading my normal day to day.
What year comes after "99"? People would way "00" meaning 2000 but a computer might say "00" meaning 1900 potentially breaking a lot of data systems/bases
It honestly wasn't. Like yes, it was a real problem, there was a lot of bad, often legacy, code that had to be reviewed and maybe patched. Industrial control code tends to be notoriously bad, and so you never know if this traffic light or that power station is going to glitch out until you dive in
But even as a kid who just knew how to take things apart, I knew it was a nothing burger. Real work went into it, but the fact people in the industry were taking it seriously means there was little actual danger
There was A LOT of doom predictions.. from airplanes dropping out of the sky to power being shut off, to possible missile launches.. it was a good time to be a shit talker in those days. Businesses made a butt ton of money selling snake oil "Y2K" checkers for your computer.. crazy time
As a Gen Xer who lived through the fall of the Berlin Wall and then all of the rest of this shit, I'm so tired. Y'all millennials even got to miss there Reagan years. Nixon may have started the car, but Reagan is the asshole that shifted it into drive, tossed a brick on the pedal, and let it go off down the mountain.
They also missed the stranger danger years. (Which is a huge reason why we got all the helicopter parents now)
One of the biggest reasons Genx are the invisible generation. So many went missing
I think that is one tragedy that was exclusively genx. Things like colds and flus killed the generations before but the Genx were just basically getting wiped out as children by adults. It was also the surge of mass murderers on the heels of the vietnam war in which they had used experimental drugs which I’m sure there is a connection
I still remember watching the news as a child right after the tsunami of 2004 and seeing the death toll rising day by day.
It is only going to get worse with climate catastrophy barely being addresed. Hunger and water shortage is only going to increasr the frequencies of wars and pandemics. Which will result in more and more extremism.
3 or more possible WW3's
It is not unfair to clock the first bit. But you can't count hypothetical WW3s. That's like Boomers saying they lived through Hypothetical Nuclear Winter.
Also, if we're counting recessions as millennials, you can't neglect the '87 crash and the '01 dot-com bubble. If we're counting plagues, you can't leave out AIDS.
Don't forget the savings and loans crisis in the early 90s.
Not hypothetical as much as possible, near misses
Not hypothetical as much as very real possibilities
Definitely can't leave out AIDS or drug epidemics, mass shootings, living under threat of terrorism
But that was so early in our lives that they where just how the world was. I do not remember the AIDs crisis when it started my school just kind of taught it as just another thing that will kill you.
You're forgetting hole in the ozone
It is almost completely gone
Real I'm not quite sure Y2K should be in there since it didn't really result in anything happening.
Y2K was like the ozone.
It became a big nothing issue because of the spreading awareness, hard work, and other activities that went into preventing it.
So like I said in another post.
The problem with crisis is always the people.
If nothing happens, cause of the hard work to prevent it, people riot over it being a big waste of time cause nothing happened
if something happens, then people riot because no one worked hard to prevent it.
A theory of mine is that one of the reasons people don't take the various crises threatening to destroy civilization seriously is that we've lived through so many crises that were solved without the average person suffering that much.
Y2K, overpopulation, the decay of the ozone, acid rain, all major problems, which received major attention from government, media and the scientific community....and were solved, by the scientific community through incredible efforts that were unthinkable a generation before thanks to advances in science. But things didn't really change that much for your average schlub on the street. The change in fluorocarbons in bug spray or air conditioning units may have changed the price a bit, but not enough to really hurt the ordinary person's wallet.
In World War II, everyone participated, everyone did something, be it as big as risking their life on the battlefield, or as small as collecting old newspaper to recycle. Nothing in the past eighty years has demanded that kind of investment or sacrifice or commitment. A great swathe of our population simply cannot believe there is or can be an existential threat to life as we know it.
I have a similar theory about politics, that most Americans thinks of the modern American democracy as inevitable and irrevocable, thus don't take it seriously when the President's platform seems built around totally destroying democratic norms.
Oh I know. My uncle was a big part of all of the work to make it a non-issue.
I'm just saying it was hardly scarring, unlike the other things listed. Most people didn't really think it would be a big thing and it turned out, because of other people's hard work, not to be a big thing.
Mostly it was just a giant waste of NASA's time trying to explain to people why it wouldn't result in toasters exploding no matter what anyone did or did not do, because toasters don't care about the date.
Thank software engineers for that.
The real concern for computers is the Year 2038 problem.
Apparently IT people at the time had to deal with bunch of stuff and come to work at christmas just in case.
It was considered pretty serious at the time. I remember being at a new year's party and everyone went outside at the ball drop to see if the world turned off.
Hopefully "possible WW3" will turn out the same way.
I've become convinced after the recent India/Pakistan conflict that WW3 is near impossible under current conditions just due to the fact that you start losing your very expensive airforce really really quickly.
It seems the Ukraine conflict and the U.S's plans to counter China's push on Taiwan indicate that the future of warfare is:
....Just...a gazillion, never-ending swarms of coordinated, "cheap", militarized drones....
I remember reading somewhere that one of the reasons the War in Ukraine has gone on as long as it has is because of how much of the conflict has been taken up by the use of militarized drones, cutting down on (but not eliminating by any means) the amount of people getting killed.
Which is good in that it means fewer people dying in a pointless war for Putin's ego, but bad in that in that it dulls the human cost that has been known to really kill war efforts, even in dictatorships.
Before Ukraine, I’d read that idea quite a few times.
Previous wars were run on logistics and manufacturing - can you keep your guys supplied longer than the other side? But now you goto war with what you have, you lose ridiculously expensive and very lethal equipment very quickly. Modern equipment is so complex and expensive that you can never sufficiently speed up manufacturing, so once you’re out, you’re out. Your equipment may not last long enough to institute a draft and call up more people, so once you’re out, you’re out. War over. Very quickly.
That was the expectation. Then there’s Ukraine, which defied all expectations. Somehow it kept going, it turned into a logistics battle again. The modern lethality didn’t happen as expected
The losses for the Russian airforce has been huge, i feel like the war would be over now if not for the massive minefields they laid down sort of freezing the conflict
It iiis what it iiis
Thanks dad.
Did y'all forget about the Zika, Ebola, Bird flu and Swine flus?
Thanks, but I'm totally wasted on typhoid over here, i couldn't possibly do any more!
I turned 40 in February and I only forsee things getting worse. 😩
Well, summer is within spitting distance, so prepare for a new record. :)
I’m pretty sure there a lot of worse stuff that’s happened in the past 100 years, you just know how that ended.
We know, we learned the details about WW2. Our grandparents and great grandparents actually lived through that, and told us the stories.
All the adults told us it would be better for us than for them. While they fucked everything up and then blame us.
All the adults told us it would be better for us than for them.
All the adults told us that it was our responsibility to do better than they'd done things. Some of the adults tried to help out along the way, while other adults knee-capped us and robbed us and threw us in jail for the crime of becoming poor.
And there's a real selection bias along the way. A friend of mine was six years old when her dad shoved her out of the way of a speeding car. He died. She and the driver lived. She got to grow up in a world without a father willing to give everything to protect her. But the guy who killed her dad kept on ticking.
As we carve out more and more space for reckless, heartless people, we lose the honest and selfless ones along the way. In the end, a generation that selects for selfish people is going to be dominated by the most ruthless.
I mean, you take your pick-which generation would you actually want to switch with? Baby boomers had it better economically (if you were a white man) but a lot less tolerance for everything from being a single woman to interracial marriage (much less gay marriage or transgender recognition)
My guy, my life isn't even halfway over yet. It's been incredibly rough so far, certain things which my life never truly recovered from... And much worse can possibly still happen in the decades to come.
Not to mention the last 10,000 years
Oh yeah, 9/11. The biggest issue of this generation. I imagine millennials in Ukraine be like “war is tough, but thank God 9/11 is over”
I don't know how old you were during 9/11 but it was an awful time to grow up. Out of nowhere you were being bombarded with messages of hate towards of nebulous group of "others". The country overnight decided that unabashed Islamophobia was in vogue (previously there was still hate but not as outright). Think the Asian hate during covid but ramped up to 11. Your country was changing (at least from a young persons perspective) and all the sudden our allies were not to be trusted (remember freedom fries?). The US became embroiled in what was ostensibly a forever war for no reason.
It wasn't the worst thing, but people were going to war again and that was very clear and very scary. The financial crashes probably take the spotlight since they affected a lot more Americans directly and it's possible that everyone knew someone who lost or had to leave their home, but 9/11 changed the country in unmistakable ways and it was scary to watch and then have to witness the fallout without really having much understanding and certainty no agency. I don't think the meme is saying all of these things are equally bad. Just pointing out that these were major events and possible inflection points in history that didn't break in favor of justice.
I was in prime conscription age. My father was called up for Vietnam but refused conscription and only the end of the conflict kept him out of jail. I had already applied with selective service as required when I turned 18 and when I saw the second tower get hit, followed by the pentagon, I was certain we were going to be in another conscripted war. Anyone who blows off the impact of 9/11 wasn't there for it. Anyone who thinks it is history doesn't realize how many rights we lost on that day that we will never get back doesn't understand.
The world is bigger than the states. My country didn’t give a damn about a couple of towers. My comment mentions Ukraine as an exaggerated example to show people how unimportant 9/11 was for everyone in literally any other country in the world.
In any case, point taken, I hope you got my point as well
The country overnight decided...
Your country was changing...
you do realise you're on the World Wide Web, right? Please stop acting like there's only one country in the world, and that's the omnipotent, wonderful USA. That's what the message you're replying to refers to: 9/11 was important for the USA, but the world is much bigger.
This is very obviously a US-centric meme, as evidenced by the first word in the header, "milennials."
‘Thank goodness we don’t have to wear masks anymore’ meanwhile a bomb drops somewhere in the backdrop..
Hey, at least you didn't get drafted for Vietnam
Don't forget the 2012, possibly the biggest threat to humanity in our lifet .... I can't finish this with a straight face :D
After Covid-19 I am convinced that they mixed up the number of 2021
Horrific.
I mean, people who were born in early 1900's would have spanish flu + 2 WW's just in one life time(if they reach the second one)
/+ in Germany there was the biggest hyper Inflation imagenable.
And a turd king
Older Gen Z have lived through all of those as well, but before the age of 30 😭
Gen X went through a wall street crash and recession. We went through a recession when reagan screwed up the economy in the early 80's the frequency is just increasing.
Yes I'm just feeling peachy. Just perfectly peachy.
Hey! Hey now! I might hit 40 before world war 3. Let's stay optimistic about this.
See, I turn 39 this year so if Trump's attempt to further shit all over what my grandfather fought for could just wait till the actual end of his term I'll have made it to 40 before the world turns to complete shit.
Yeah, the end is going to be when it gets ugly.
Whenever millenials post stuff like this I’m like ‘huh, welcome to the human race I guess? You’re slowly catching up to all the generations even the new generation after you has seen some shit ‘ I mean I’m not sure where you’re intending to take this complaint about being human. If you find the manager or a help desk let the rest of us know. Some of us been looking for it since the 70s.
I for one would really like to get off this ride.
no way out, once you’re in the ring, ya gotta dance baby!
Please don't, you're making it better for everyone else.
Gen X here - we had Mutually Assured Destruction as well.
Gen Z here. Bitch, this shit just getting warmed up, hahaha
Interesting times
Disaster speedrun.
WWIII has been looming on generations before millennials. Millennials weren’t alive during the 1980 cold sweat of Russia and the doomsday clock. Everyone had nukes. Lots and lots of nukes. We’re not talking small nukes. We’re talking like what happened in Hiroshima. Only everywhere.
Also recession isn’t new, its been happening at least once every 10 years if not more. Although usually they are only when something happens that isn’t preventable. This recession is entirely preventable.
It’s when it’s a depression that it gets real bad. Like your bank closed and your money is gone and it won’t matter what kind of insurance you had, you’re eating leather boots.
Additionally there’s been bird h1n1, sars, various flus prior to Covid.
Just be grateful none of us have to necessarily live through polio and a plethora of other diseases because we have vaccinations now….
Oh wait..
Ok so just be grateful there’s A CHOICE to not live with it.
Milkdrinkers
Gen Y had all that plus 6 wars (gross estimate) and an explosion of a nuclear power plant.
And we saw both Hulk Hogan's and John Cena's heel turns.
laughs in genx. Let's go get you some fruit.
So dramatic