an interesting perspective

Animals are something invented by plants to move seeds around. An extremely yang solution to a peculiar problem which they faced.
— Terence McKenna

"Hi there, we're going to slaughter and eradicate your brothers, sisters, cousins, but we'll keep you because we like you. But we're going to only take parts of you that we like. And then we'll do it again. YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF AND MADE US PAY FOR IT!"

Well, we roamed earth freely and doing only 4 hours of daily work to survive. And then came agriculture...
- Rofl that's not real. Survival is hard.
  
  It was easier than what came after, but riskier too (Farming required 12+ hour days). Also if you remove the workers rights that exist today, the modern human can not comprehend how hard survival was even 100 years ago.
  
  Eh.. it's hard now because we don't have the patterns or training or tools anymore. Previous people were well prepared.
  Now, it was RISKY. People died all the time. But that doesn't mean they worked 20 hour days.
- Is this why I feel best when I only work 4 hours a day and have a nice afternoon nap?

Humans domesticated humans. https://www.science.org/content/article/early-humans-domesticated-themselves-new-genetic-evidence-suggests
- Here's another thought.
  Humans who took in wolves were at an advantage over their neighbors. Wolves made great watchdogs, so the humans could sleep better, and helped in hunting so everyone ate better. People who refused to let wolves live with them would have been less likely to reproduce.
  Domesticating dogs changed the humans.
  
  Let's just say everything changed each other. For the better? Who knows? My back hurts.
- I'd say dogs/ wolves did their fair share domesticating us as well.
  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/130302-dog-domestic-evolution-science-wolf-wolves-human
  
  Cats as well.
  If you store grain you get mice/rats, that's true even today(don't eat raw flour), which leads to cats.
  Humans realized that fewer mice means more grain and left cats alone. But one theory is that families who let the cats hang around their home more had fewer instances of diseases carried by rodents, which further led humans to want cats to be around.
- Well that explains why humanity are such bottoms. Source: religion

Was ancient wheat the same as wheat today or was it selectively pollinated to get what we have now?
- Modern wheats are different, but so are modern humans.
  
  How have humans changed.
  
  There's degrees of difference. Wheat goes through a new generation every year. Faster if you have a greenhouse. People go through a new generation every few decades. Wheat can thus change 20-30 times faster than people.
  A century is, at minimum, 100 different "iterations" of the wheat genome. A century is ~3 "iterations" of humans.
- It's been selected for some 5k years, give or take. One study found out that, starting from wild wheat, it'd take roughly 30 years to fully domesticate the crop. Bananas, maize, soy, almond and others that we eat are also very different from their wild variants

The truth always endures. It's durumable.

Dave Graeber and David Wengrow would like a word…
- Literally had put the book down at this section when I saw this post. Was like seeing double.
  That said, I think the "who domesticated whom" question is a little bit of a farce in itself. In reality, there's no agent making informed decisions to domesticate; it's the result of two adjacent processes benefiting from being around each other, and over time, variations in the communities that fit the environment better sticking around. "Simple" evolution. Ascribing agency to it seems a little silly.
- Which one? I'll have it sent over right away.
- I was just about to bring that book up! I'm reading it now and it's fascinating.
  The Dawn of Everything for people who are interested.
  Drawing on pathbreaking research in archaeology and anthropology, the authors show how history becomes a far more interesting place once we learn to throw off our conceptual shackles and perceive what’s really there. If humans did not spend 95 percent of their evolutionary past in tiny bands of hunter-gatherers, what were they doing all that time? If agriculture, and cities, did not mean a plunge into hierarchy and domination, then what kinds of social and economic organization did they lead to? The answers are often unexpected, and suggest that the course of human history may be less set in stone, and more full of playful, hopeful possibilities, than we tend to assume.
- I really like how the first farmers were just "let's seed these banks that are flooded every season and wait, because we sure as fuck are NOT going to till the soil, fill it with manure and keep the weeds away, especially when I can just walk around for 5 minutes and get some stuff to eat"

Mother nature couldn't make plastic, so she made man. Now, earth has plastic. Buh BYE, man..!
- Clever girl...
  
  Sorry about the mess... dead