Why do we tolerate it that Luigi Mangione is being held in prison? We know its absolutely the least safe place he can be.
He's never getting out of there alive.
There are stupid questions.
I thought the least safe place was an American school.
I thought it was in America and in need of urgent surgery.
I hope the prisoners treat him as a king in there
The truth is that he may never see daylight. They want to make an example of him lest others get similar ideas.
People with nothing to lose have little reason not to follow his example and make the greedy fuckers in this society pay.
This isn't really abnormal. He's accused of murder, and a pretty high profile one at that. It's not uncommon in the slightest for people accused of high profile crimes and people accused of murder to be held in custody pending trial.
To clarify: There are only two actual reasons that you can legally be held without bail. The first reason is that you’re considered a flight risk. The second reason is that you’re considered a danger to yourself or others if let out of prison before your trial.
For the first reason, this basically means that the courts don’t believe you would return for your trial, and would flee instead. Maybe you’re rich enough that you can afford to lose the bail money. Maybe you have international connections and can disappear to another country. Maybe you just have a history of fleeing. The Adjuster is 100% without a doubt a flight risk. He fled authorities and evaded a nationwide manhunt for an entire week. And since Luigi is accused of being The Adjuster, he is considered a flight risk.
For the second reason, this is basically the court going “you were accused of something so violent or egregious that we don’t trust you to avoid doing something similar again while out on bail.” This is most often used with cases like school shooters, serial killers, serial rapists, serial burglars, etc… Basically, the prosecutor argues that if they’re let out, they’ll just fall right back into their old ways again. But a scummy pro-corporation prosecutor could construe The Adjuster as a violent extremist who is likely to strike again.
Maybe you and everyone else knows that you committed homicide, and your freedom is worth more to you than any amount of money.
Luigi Mangione has been selected as the new pope
Well I mean what are you going to do? He's in jail, accused of a crime. The government has him on a valid warrant.
Even if you wanted to break him out, he's here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Detention_Center,_Brooklyn
Good fucking luck.
There's simply nothing to do but wait for his case.
Even if you wanted to break him out, he's here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Detention_Center,_Brooklyn
Good fucking luck.
There's simply nothing to do but wait for his case.
Nothing to do but get the prisons blueprints, have said blueprints tattooed onto body but covertly hidden within a being design. Then commit a serious but non violent crime to land yourself in the prison and then prison break
The premise of Michael’s tattoos was so much cooler than the actual execution and need for them. His tattoos were basically “here’s a tiny screwdriver shape in this giant demon”, “here’s a number that I could just have remembered but instead put it on a clock”, and so on.
I just see his defense fund growing while knowing it's all for naught. Waiting for the day everyone becomes surprised pichachu because....
Why do we tolerate it
The person who ceaselessly bashes their head against a brick wall hoping to knock it down will accomplish one thing, and it’s not knocking the wall down
Dude probably gets a standing ovation every time he enters a room.
They would absolutely not allow him to die in prison.
They want to make a public example of him in order to show the proletariat they are the masters.
They will find a way to find him guilty and they will execute him.
They will make sure we all know it.
They did it to Joe Hill.
Why are people generally in prison? Usually because they’re violent, drug addicted or at odds with the status quo.
Luigi is in prison accused of killing a man responsible for getting people hooked on drugs, marginalizing the already marginalized and poor, and ruining the lives of millions.
I think the inmates would be more likely to treat him like a hero.
I don't think it's the inmates OP is worried about.
The guards and administration want him alive.
People like Epstein die in prison because showing up in court runs the risk of taking down powerful people. People like Luigi always have their day to be dragged through the mud in court before they rot away forever in jail, with random reminders that they’re still alive and suffering.
I think they're going to try and find a way to kill him to send a strong example as to what happens to people in his place.
But then I hope it does happen because it'll only make him a martyr.
I don't hope it happens, but if it does, I do hope that it backfires on them.
I mean he’s accused of premeditated murder, has the resources to flee, and I’m pretty sure “they” want a spectacle to make an example.
they wont let him get shanked by accident, and they wont Epstein him until they have their spectacle
Or until it's clear they won't get it.
America is a country of fat, lazy, cowards that can't be bothered to not litter. Much less fight and die for anything besides an 80" tv.
The question is easier to answer with any sympathy and understanding when you ask any given individual if they're personally planning a jailbreak on behalf of this person. At least that seems to be the calculus for what "tolerate" means here.
There's little room for parties not directly involved to work within the system and if the independence of the judiciary is under suspicion then "fight and die" is literally the prospect people would have to face to reasonably do anything about this and that's a pretty high bar, one which I doubt many would-be critics of the "fat, lazy cowards" would be willing clear themselves.
Fat lazy coward checking in
I mean that's what jail is for.
Think about it this way. If a young adult (like 18 year old) kills a parent as revenge for getting abused as a kid, do you think this person would just get to move freely before trial?
Sure, I'd also sympathize with this young adult, and the parent deserve to die for being an abusive piece of shit, but that doesn't mean this person can just go wandering around the city.
That person needs a jury trial ASAP so society can excuse the act as self defense.
A lot of Catholic clergy out there that needs to be dealt with.
That's the problem, the courts are stacked with like thousands of cases. The problem is not "Why did we arrest Luigi Mangione?", that's not the problem, the problem is: "Why the fuck is the courts so slow?"
We need like more judges to process all the cases quickly. Like maybe need to double the number of judges, and perhaps have petit juries that rule on serveral similar cases at ones, since juries take forever to convene.
A lot of Catholic clergy out there that needs to be dealt with.
Maybe, but I don't think there should be a "You can kill whoever as long as its a bad person" broad exception. Its should be a case-by-case basis. If you pass a law that makes that okay, sure, you can get more Luigis, but I'm sure the number of Trans people and PoC being lynched also goes up.
It's a double edge sword.
Probably because he’s a murderer and deserves to be in prison
There is a lot of reasonable doubt: no matching eyebrows, different clothes, suspicious evidence processing, disconnect in time-line, weird arrest conditions...
Alleged murder. For the time being at least we have due process.
Let me guess, one of those innocent until proven guilty types when its your favorite pedo.
No, he is a revolutionary, and you are a person with your thumb up your butt. And there's nothing wrong with having your thumb up your butt, but you are in denial about having your thumb up your butt.
A murderer is not a revolutionary. He's just a murderer.
How do you know that to be true? What evidence do you have to support the hypothesis?
Even if the outcome you fear to be true comes to pass, that will not mean you were correct today.
Without evidence to support the hypothesis, you're doing nothing more complicated than guessing the result of flipping a coin.
How do you know any prediction is true? What evidence would satisfy you?
True. I think even if he gets off, they’ll kill him. Remember all the whistleblower deaths in 2024? Like that.
Boeing Suicide?
Epstein ring a bell?
Maybe because killing unarmed civilians is wrong. Maybe because starting armed violence is wrong. Maybe because the number of CEOs didn't decrease and healthcare isn't getting any better.
Anecdotal observation I received from a doctor’s office indicates there may be some change in the insurance industry…
Last month I saw a surgeon who does not take insurance, but her office helps people get all the pre-authorizations done to file an out-of-network claim. They told me that of the codes they bill, there’s one that used to have a 50/50 chance of getting approved. But after 12/6/24 they see it come back approved every time.
Without more data to back this up I recognize it’s not enough to say anything for sure, but this does point to insurance companies more broadly approving claims.
I'm glad you at least admit there is no significance without actual data to back the claim up. My guess is that denial rates are only getting worse with the prevalence of AI in form assessment and documentation industries, and especially with federal funding cuts and freezes to insurers.