Fox viewers STILL imagine that foreign exporters will simply reduce their profit margins to 0, or even go into debt, for the privilege of selling trinkets to Americans.
This person very clearly understands what is happening, hence the second sentence. It's just phrased in a way to not immediately cause magas to engage in their rejecting of reality at the site of criticism.
I think more people need to approach it like this. Human's minds are designed to think with their group and resistant to change. If you actually want to change minds, insults and accusations will immediately put them into fight mode and they will defend their ideology. But if you don't attack their ideals and approach in a friendly kind of way, it will lead them to questioning their leader's choices. It's hard, I know. Their leader has made some shoot-themselves-in-the-foot choices and makes their conviction an easy target to attack. Insults and attacks may even be a way of letting off steam, but if you actually want change, it has to be a smart and kinder approach. It won't be an immediate change, but it will be gradual and large over time.
They are quite literally in a cult.
The cognitive dissonance underlying their worldview is being exposed and demonstrated, and they are very obviously unable to fully reconcile basic logic and empirical reality with the idea that dear leader is a madman, and that they are cult thralls of a madman, and that he is doing exactly what he said he would do, and that they are fools for trusting in him.
Delusional cult members do not have coherent, consistent worldviews, they are full of contradictions, which are usually squelched by thought terminating cliches, highly emotional motivated reasoning (ie, 'faith'), having your own identity and personality be heavily intertwined with and dependant on the cult.
They would have to be deprogrammed like former Heavens Gate cult members or something similar.
Their minds will likely never function reasonably again. While some may be able to pull themselves out of it, similar to someone raised in a fundamentalist setting who deconverts via thorough critical skepticism... most of them are not capable of that, and will instead seek to blame shift to protect their own egos.
... Thats all to say, this person seemingly logically putting it together... but also not accepting their own logic?
This is quite normal for a cult member.
Lots and lots of cults do lots and lots of social conditioning to make the cult member accept or ignore or deflect from any objective criticisms.
That is basically what all religious apologetics is, after all.
There's been studies that far right fascist supports have a smaller "empathy" section to their brain. You have to know how to approach soaking to someone like that. They only care about stuff when it affects them. In order to reach these people, you need to highlight that these things ARE hurting them, and it will continue to get worse.
My bro in law sells boba tea supplies from Taiwan to all your favorite boba tea stores.
He had a container that he was about to send but cancelled it because his margin is less than 10% and his stores he supports also runs a lean margin.
Last week he decided to close one of his warehouses in Portland, letting go of 20 people and a few hundred stores that depend on him.
When asked why he doesn't just up the price, he said that if he did, the mass majority of the stores he supports won't make it and the Oregon warehouse is barely breaking even.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
Funny thing about him is that he sat out this election and now he regrets it.
ouch, this always hurts. I choose to still have empathy with him, even if he did make a extremely stupid decision.
It's not like it would've made a difference in Oregon. There's like only a couple 100000 swing voters that really matter when it comes to the presidency. (Local issues might still make it worth coming out for tho).
Stupid? No. Selfish.
I have less than zero sympathy for your BIL.
tell him some random asshole on the Internet hopes he feels like a fucking idiot for the rest of his miserable life.
he sat out this election
No sympathy. Dumbass got what he voted for, that he didn't care if Trump won and did exactly what he said he was going to do. So why the sudden change of heart? Selfish fuck only cares when it impacts him personally.
Did you ever ask him what policies or other actions the democrats could have taken to get his vote?
He said he honestly felt like the democrats weren't listening to him. He's a small business owner that is struggling and outside of AOC or Bernie, the democrats system wasn't setting himself up for success.
Who cares. Fuck him.
I think that was pretty clear sarcasm. A lot of people hate read/comment on Fox News.
"Build the wall and Mexico will pay for it"
Cost to US consumer is $0? What kind of economy would that be lmao
The economy of US propaganda where the US is so strong and either loved or feared and such an important market that everyone from all other countries will bow to them and ignore making a profit to appease the mighty Murica, because they are simply the greatest in the world.
Not to be confused with reality, where most of the world hates the US.
American Exceptionalism!
I saw a similar thing in Britain during the Leave Campaign - lots of arguments of the "when we're out the EU will give us most of the rights members have, but without the obligations" kind, anchored only on British Exceptionalism, and enough people fell for it that Leave won.
Nationalist Delusions Of Grandeur is on hell of a drug.
Yearning for the 1950s when 70% of the world manufacturing base was rubble.
Gee look, they are orchastrating another world war where they can create those conditions again!
These people don't understand that people in other countries are full human beings that don't worship at the altar of american exceptionalism
I'm pretty sure "Spice Melange" is trolling. Idk how someone would understand and enjoy the plot of Dune (assuming the book because IDK if they even used that term in the movies) with this poor of an understanding of how trade works.
One of the book details not carried through to the movie is the Baron's plan to put Rabban in charge initially to fuck shit up and make everybody hate him, and then hand Arrakis over to Feyd-Rautha who would seem like a savior since he (supposedly) wouldn't be as big of a dick as Rabban. Trump-to-Vance may have a similar arc.
There is a whole SouthPark episode about Tom Bradys poop where they repetitively use the term.
They might be trolling, but right wingers are notoriously bad a media literacy.
"Fox viewers are stupid" should hardly be news to anyone by now.
Well-made items have razor thin profit margins too, the only items that survive this are the ones where your money was going into the owners pocket instead of wages, materials, or anything that improves the quality of the product; cheap products with high price-tags.
Even for handmade items - what about the raw materials? I’ve never bought anything from Shein, but the yarn for the sweater I’m working on wasn’t made in the US. My woodcarving tools are Norwegian I think, my paints and brush from China…
I guess if the economy crashes hard enough, maybe processing wool and spinning yarn will be viable jobs again? Life 100 BCE style…
heh. Its the well made stuff that will disappear.
This is what high tariffs produce :
https://www.carsguide.com.au/oversteer/classic-falcon-fan-dont-forget-your-argentine-cousins-67000
both ARE true.
It's amazing is how they also talk about the profit motive being king... but then toss that out the window when they think they are like old school overlords demanding tribute from their underlings...
They still value profit over everything. Problem is they're still operating on feels over reals.
I mean, the commenter is right. Both can be true. I'd even say both is true.
Trump is not understanding tariffs and is lying.
It’s both.
I feel like the comment is being sarcastic. Republicans would never admit the possibility of something negative about Trump.
Honestly the fact that this fake news got going makes no sense to me. If you even atop for a second to think about how tarrifs are collected you'd know this would never be the case
stop for a second to think
I think maybe I see the problem.
He built a wall and Mexico paid for it. They remember that clearly, so what he says 10 years later must be true. Anyone surprised maga people believing this is surprising. lol.
Trump complains that other countries have tariffs on the US. Yet no US manufacturer ever seems to have paid them. Odd that.
This is why debating or having any discussion with them is beyond worthless. If they have nothing. They will simply pull it out of their ass.
I mean Sony and Humble Bundle do actually push those price increases onto others. They maintain their prices in the US, but raise them in Europe. A Humble Bundle subscription now includes IGN??? I'm sure there are other examples.
The logical thing to do is of course boycotting the companies that do, but since I'm not their customer there isn't anything really I can do. Besides I am mostly just pirating stuff these days. Being able to afford food is somehow more important.
If the world had any sense Rupert Murdoch would be at the bottom of the ocean.
except he also has his son lachlan murdoch is controlling the reins of fox, hes worst than his father.
Logical OR
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Thing is, we’ve seen it at least a few times. Nintendo, for instance, did not increase the Switch 2 price. Many companies are afraid of adding a “tariff tax” label on goods.
I personally don’t understand it. What I’ve heard is that part of the issue is when companies are in many fields, the government could choose to retaliate on any of them. Reject their H1B visas when they set higher product prices, for instance.
Switch games are heavily overpriced. And switch 2 will likely have joycon issues again.
They'll probably just price the games in the US than elsewhere
The switch 2 is also produced, in some capacity, in Vietnam. Apparently all the production from there is being redirected to the US to avoid tariffs, for now anyway.
If I remember correctly what I've read, Nintendo will sell Vietnam made consoles to the US and China made consoles to the rest of the world. But even with that, they could reportedly sell the Switch 2 at lost in the US (!). I guess they expect to made the money back by selling games and and other not China-made stuff.
Short term, that actually will happen. Long term, new trading routes will occur.
Reason why would be that not producing could cost more than producing at a loss.
I don't think going into a fox news comment section is going to give you any useful info. The thing seems like it's full of the "people of facebook" combined with a shitload of bots and trolls. I don't think it's representative of literally anybody.
The headline is a clear indicator that OP doesn't understand how global trade works.
Chinese companies don't import goods into US, American companies do... Amazon, Walmart, gap, etc
They serve as an Importer of Record and they pay the tariffs, which squeezes US companies profit marhin first if they chose to continue to import.
Them being able to pass on the tariffs on consumers is TBD...
Sure medical supplies, not much of a choice...
But a lot of this consumption is just brain dead American normie buying plastic Chinese trash. They will have to decide if it is worth for them.
But the idea that US corpo recovering 100% of tariffs on discretionary products is is just corpo propaganda that y'all larping too hard.
Get educated
Chinese companies don’t import goods into US, American companies do… Amazon, Walmart, gap, etc
Duh. Exactly what I'm saying. The importer is paying the tariffs, not the exporter.
How about YOU go educated yourself, and while you're there get fucked lol.
Don’t wish for MAGAts to get fucked! That’s a pleasurable experience and could end up causing a child to happen. We want less of them, not more!
Wish them a very lonely, sad, miserable existence without any love life instead. They deserve that much more!
I mean realistically tariffs will be distributed across expoter/importer/purchaser. Simply because tariffs force renegotiations on price.
However, it's likely that the importer/purchaser will take the larger hit, but it depends on what percentage US orders make of the exporters business and what their margins are.
and while you're there get fucked lol.
Now now, this doesn't help anyone. Agree with the the informational content of what you said though.
It aint my dear 🤡
Them being able to pass on the tariffs on consumers is TBD...
I’m trying to understand this magical world you live in. What is still being determined?
You are assuming US customers will just keep consuming same shit and pay higher prices 100%?
Have you never heard of substitution tactics s or just forgoing discretionary spending
Y'all got some warped view of how consumption "must happen" and "can't be changed"
It is a reshuffle. People and businesses will make adjustments.