I present to you a "pro-Palestinian" liberal's advice for Gazans

Just so everyone knows, they did lead a peaceful march a few years back and the Israelis shot thousands and thousands of them.
- And Israel lost no legitimacy over it, the international media either treated it as business like usual, those rowdy middle easterners just failing to get along, or straight up told Palestinians that they had no right to protest like that and that every single civilian was actually either a willing or stupid human shield for cloaked hamas agents, there to attack the IDF.
  
  The first headline I came across about this was something along the lines of "here's how the Palestine situation helps Putin"
- These doorknobs don't care
  They somehow think they'll be the ones to come up with a workable solution for this which doesn't involve violence, while some of them even acknowledge that the US establishment is completely backing Israel and completely fine with Palestine being wiped out of existence
  Head empty
- How is this event called? I don't really remember it.
  
  It was the Great March of Return
- Can someone link more info on this for my uninformed ass? “Palestine peace march” is not giving many useful results rn due to the recent events
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_protests

Dr. King's policy was that nonviolence would achieve the gains for black people in the United States. His major assumption was that if you are nonviolent, if you suffer, your opponent will see your suffering and will be moved to change his heart. That's very good. He only made one fallacious assumption: In order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.
—Kwame Ture
- holy fuck
  
  Yeah. Hard as tungsten.

peaceful march
They tried that, Israel mowed them down en masse, it didn't lose an ounce of legitimacy in the eyes of
- I wonder if there is some kind of socio-economic forces that are the driving reasons behind the world hegemon supporting the fascist state of isn'treal?

The Palestinians should offer themselves to the butcher's knife. They should throw themselves into the sea from cliffs. It would arouse the world and the people of Israel.
Gandhi, twitter, 2023
- Beat me to it. Easy to say other people should just lay down and die I guess.
  
  he meant himself/Indians as well -- he was that idealistic and had that poor of a understanding of why his protests worked in India. MLK was all around the much better political leader, down to reassessing his view on nonviolence.
- For context, here’s the original quote:

Yes, imagine...
Although this year’s event passed by without any violence, Land Day in Gaza in past years has erupted in clashes at the border fence with Israel
In 2018, Palestinians in Gaza used the day to begin a series of mass protests dubbed the Great March of Return, which lasted two years.
The protests saw major bloodshed with more than 260 Palestinians killed, mostly by Israeli sniper fire.
Nearly 7,000 others were shot and wounded, according to Gaza’s health ministry.
Also, post the link you coward!
- unarmed children getting hit from 300 meters. IOF snipers were having competitions to see how many Palestinian knees they could destroy, just intentionally maiming people
  '42 Knees in One Day': Israeli Snipers Open Up About Shooting Gaza Protesters
  EDIT: replaced paywalled Haaretz with archive link
  
  Quick question what the actual fuck

peaceful march
yes, Israel would respond violently

I knew that the IDF has a pre-set kill limit. Knowing that, I sent waves and waves of unarmed women and children at the Israelis until they exceeded their limit and shut down.
- If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards
  Checkmate
- The kill cap is 2,147,483,647

but fewer would die
fewer Israelis, maybe

THEY ALREADY DID THAT YOU FUCKING MORON
They got shot, killed and injured by the IDF
Anyway slava palestine, slava to the martyrs

“Just line up against the mass graves so the fascists can kill you easily” is quite the take from libs
- They literally did the "lie down and pretend to be dead and let them arrest you" "protest" during the George Floyd stuff. Liberal ideology has no room for effective political action.
  
  radliberalism is a disease and a potentially fatal one that will get you killed doing stupid pointless symbolic horseshit
- the Nazis out of power after marching to Auschwitz voluntarily

Imagine thinking liberals would care about 100,000 civilians being massacred if they fail the
test

I still can't believe I've seen this exact conversation play on this site of all places.
- I hope there was a swift
  for that
  
  I couple people caught temp bans that I saw

They'd be cut down like field mice under a roto tiller, but at least it would do nothing
- It would do something. The white moderates get there peace in place of having to witness justice.

There is nothing more privileged than these clowns who think wars can be won peacefully.
- What about that time Yeltsin gave his congress a pepsi and then the USSR dissolved peacefully?
  
  Not pictured: peaceful dissolving causing losses comparable to WW2.
  
  dissolved peacefully like a mentos
  
  The conflict of Yeltsin vs congress/the supreme soviet (1993) happened years after the attempted military coup that caused the collapse of the Union (1991). Yeltsin and the supreme Soviet were on the same side of the barricades back in 1991.

Even if by some magic they didn't get shot doing their nonviolent march, the Israelis don't fucking care, and you are never never going to make them.
Go talk to them, they literally couldn't care less.

"But have you considered being rEsPeCtAbLe‽"
- 😤

They already tried that in 2018 and it got them shot by israelis. Also didnt israel killed their own pm (who himself is still fucking brutal and did war crimes) who tried some sort of compromise that heavily favors israel?
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin
  The perpetrator was Yigal Amir, a 25-year-old former Hesder student and far-right law student at Bar-Ilan University. Amir had strenuously opposed Rabin's peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords, because he felt that an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would deny Jews their "biblical heritage which they had reclaimed by establishing settlements". Amir had come to believe that Rabin was a rodef, meaning a "pursuer" who endangered Jewish lives. The concept of din rodef ("law of the pursuer") is a part of traditional Jewish law. Amir believed he would be justified under din rodef in removing Rabin as a threat to Jews in the territories.[15]

"oh no, not our legitimacy!"
some Israeli somewhere, I'm sure

Do libs live in the real world?
- they think will if this happened, they will be information about situation from western press. they think western press will not try to focus on bad aspects of such protests ( they burn cars or something, they say some questinable stuff etc.). they think they will not drop their support for this because how their media paints the picture. root cause is that they don't think they are fed propaganda, they are given truth. I remember a major protest happened in 2018 and israel killed 200 of protesters? did the regime fall, of course they did not. They don't even know it. remember: "soviet/russian/chinese propaganda is so strong" is a lie. if something is a good propaganda, you would never know it and people there know it too. Actually the strongest propaganda belongs to west. Much fewer percentage of their people questin the propaganda

A literal judas goat

Just march through the sniper fire because you're invincible climb the fence because destroying property is bad, and walk past the tanks, don't worry about them.
That will surely delegitimise Israel. It's not like their snipers have been shooting people nowhere near the fence just for fun for literally years with this fucking lib not even caring is it?

Getting real tired of all these people living in comfy bubbles of wine and Netflix having opinions

And at the end of the peaceful march the hundreds of thousands of palestinians would vote

this poster is a child
- Last time I saw someone say this in a Hexbear comment I went and checked, and the poster was in fact 16 years old.
  This time I checked, the poster is an editor for Jacobin and a grown ass man.
  
  social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
  
  Jacobin to the right of DSA lmao
  
  To be fair, he is a man child and a fail child
  
  Remember in 2014 when black people were throwing bricks at Police and looting corporate retail stores and Jacobin's response was to publish a bunch of articles arguing that class comes first? They had to take a break from cheerleading SYRIZA to do it, so you know they thought it was important.

Real cosmic justice would be the Mossad hunting this guy down for agreeing with the breaking down of the fence.

Liberals solution for the Palestinians they all claim to support is literally just "lay down and take it"

Gosh it's too bad that didn't happpen in 2018 or anything.

Pepsi moment
- :pepsi:

ok, then let's evacuate the palestinian people and then these liberals can be the ones to give this a shot. let's see how that works out for them.
- Have a feeling that if they gave it a shot they would receive a shot and nobody would no who was giving what to whom.

Heck yeah, down with the fence
Okay, that was enough violence against property, better leave the barracks alone
You should walk to your death btw

These people have been brainwashed into thinking that gestures like these are actually how countries win their freedom and independence.

The Palestinians should have organized a flash mob dance and put it on Tik Tok

The fuck is it with liberals finding the aesthetic of oppression sexy? If you die without fighting your oppressors, you're a sexy hero. If you fight back and attempt to liberate yourself from your oppressors all of a sudden you're a hideous beast and suddenly it's your oppressors who need all the backup in the universe to protect them from your "unprovoked" attacks.
It's literally an ideology to disarm the oppressed and protect the function and integrity of oppressors (justifying mythos). These people want
type shit where they believe bringing a bunch of flowers to your own fucking funeral is somehow noble praxis. Surrendering yourself to the enemy is how we're supposed to win struggles... Well, why aren't they suggesting such shit for the Ukrainians? They conveniently support force only when it's the worst people imaginable perpetrating it.
Liberalism and the justifying mythos they leverage must be destroyed. Force works. Fuck these people who try to keep the oppressed docile.