No, no, please! ANYTHING but effective mass transit!

I half remember something like that happening in Brazil. The right proposes something the left approves, there's no fight, they realize their mistake and start opposing their own idea.
- I'm reminded of the time Mitch McConnell filibustered his own bill because too many Democrats supported it.

I would be happy if they just brought back the light rail that got people around in American cities 100 years ago before the car manufacturers bought up all the rail lines and shut them down. Crossing the country by train would be great but we need to be able to get across town first.
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit
  
  It was General Motors. The toons in the movie were a non-political allegory for the black communities that were destroyed in real life.

Surely nothing bad will follow Nazis building trains.

Deadass im okay with naming it the trump train we can rename it later it would 100% get him to build it
- All aboard the MAGA express
  
  Chhoooo chooooo, next stop: Nazitown
- I don't think I'd trust anything with his name on it.

well US could have been already working towards that if Elon did not derail all funds to his ridiculously failed hyperloop

Trump supporters haven't figured out we don't just oppose them blindly, it's just almost all terrible ideas.
Throw a good idea out there like a high speed train, and we have no problem supporting it, because non-Maga are generally well adjusted humans capable of reasoning.
- I would be amazed if they can actually build the train using only American parts like they claim.
- Spoiler warning: this is the same kind of grift. They're not going to build anything. The money-addicts just say whatever lets them make line go up.

puts on red hat Yep just MAGA over here with my high speed rail and free universal healthcare, just as the founding Trumps intended

If trump managed to build effective high speed rail that goes coast to coast, hits more than just NYC and LA, and is affordable, I think history would probably end up forgiving him for a lot of shit.
Never gonna happen though.
- Canadian here. No we fucking won't.
- I wouldn't trust it for a second. They'd use it to move minorities into camps more efficiently
  
  Arbeit Macht Frei, baby.
  That's German for "All aboard the Trump Train!"
  
  Yeah, they would arrest more Latinos without due process and have us build the rail as slave labor (contracted out to their corporate buddies, ofc.)
- And there is no forgiveness either.
- It would make getting to DC for protests a whole lot easier.

I am ok if this works.
- This is just Elon's Hyperloop again
  
  It's cybertrucks chained up together !
- He'd plaster his stupid face and logo all over it.
  
  Easy enough to ignore.
- Not if they call it Trump trains
  Its a fucking train, just call it train
  
  Let them build first, we can change name later. Imaging having a high speed railway in US
  
  They can call it Trump Train if they want I just want a train that will get me between Chicago and NYC cheaper than a plane but faster than a car.

Don't worry it will be bankrupt in no time like all the other Trump stuff including Casinos.
- It's high speed rail. I'm guessing the general attitude in here is that we don't want this to fail.
- How can you bankrupt a casino? How do you find against math itself and win?
  
  Two casinos.
  And the answer to your question is money laundering.
  
  How can you bankrupt a casino?
  All of Atlantic City basically collapsed on itself as Vegas siphoned away the high rollers.
  Trump thought he could buy into an old casino and revitalize it. But he's Trump, so he did it all wrong and just got to ride the crash all the way into the dirt.
  
  He is fighting against math right now. Maybe the real game with the tariffs is market manipulation.

Musk sabotaging this "centuries old technology" based project in 3...
- Actually, Musk would embrace it and claim to invent the whole concept, say that no one has ever done it before, even while just rebranding a Siemens Mireo: https://tech.yahoo.com/transportation/articles/tesla-launches-worlds-first-electric-111535136.html
- The only reason Trump wants to do this, is because Elon would get the contract. Just another way to funnel taxpayer money into the hands of the PayPal Mafia.
- What if we made the Trump train... But instead of a train it was a car and instead of a railroad it's a street.

Trump, a very stable genius knows high speed rail is a good idea. I am extremely against high speed rail as an antifa leftist.

Only 200mph tho? Kinda weaksauce compare to 🖐"CHINA"🤚

Finally, a way to get right wingers to support HSR.
- Effective mass transit to own the libs?

carcinisation of mass transit – right-wingers and tech bros keep re-inventing the train
- Except they always do it in the dumbest ways because they don't want to have to rub elbows with plebeians. They want their own private service, every time.
  
  Trains used to have private cars, that's totally available to those shit bastards. Train don't care
  
  what if we put everyone in an artillery shell and simply fired them along a ballistic arc toward their destination?
- At least this is a real train, not "pods" or just some teslas in a tunnel.
  
  some teslas in a tunnel with no clearance and no ventilation
- Except this is just...a train? What are you saying they're reinventing here?
  Also, it's absolutely just a play on the final words of the post rather than an actual appeal for more trains.
- That's just an Americanised Version of the Siemens Velaro Novo Platform
  https://www.mobility.siemens.com/us/en/portfolio/rolling-stock/high-speed-and-intercity-trains/american-pioneer-220.html

NO!!!!
LETS DIG A TUNNEL INSTEAD!!!
- So this legitimately happened in Chicago ten years ago, fortunately it went nowhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Express_Loop
  The most frustrating part is that WE ALREADY HAVE A COMMUTER RAIL FROM DOWNTOWN TO O'HARE, it just only runs three times a day, and only on weekdays.
  
  Musk did this in other places also. The Boring Company (get it? Get it?) is a fraud designed to keep people from moving away from electric cars.

This is exactly how you motivate a toddler.
- At least the toddler grows up eventually
- Actually I find "Here comes the airplane" to be way more effective.
  
  ... is this a 9/11 joke?

I am for high speed rail, but I am 150% against the Trump train.
I would prefer my 200mph train to stay on the tracks.
- When you arrive at the train station, the trump train pulls in, and its 2 jackasses pulling a train of red wagons built by telsa.

On an unrelated note I, another scary leftist, am so triggered every time I see a Tesla. Right wingers switching to EVs really makes me feel like an owned lib.
- YES! I TOO MINDLESSLY HATE ELECTRIC CARS!
  IF PEOPLE START ALL GOING ELECTRIC I WILL BE SO MAD I WILL RENOUNCE KARL MARX AND START EATING MEAT AND RETURN MY HAIR TO NORMAL COLORING
  I SURE HOPE THEY DON'T START BUILDING NUCLEAR PLANTS
  
  YES CYBERTRUCKS FOR EVERYONE. ALL MY MONEY TO MUSK!!! TIRE PARTICULATE IN THE AIR AND PAVEMENT OVER EVERY ECOLOGY! CHILD SLAVES MINING THE MATERIALS!!! YES!!!

Honestly at this point, we should just all fully get behind this tactic as I think it genuinely has a good shot of accomplishing more than taking politics seriously.
- The giant, gaping flaw in your idea is that it requires leftists to all rally together and cooperate on a unified plan and actually work together.
  
  At which point might as well elect competent representatives then lol
  
  You're describing something very deep, while only touching the surface.
  On the left, people are not very forgiving of other leftists, when they cross the line. And if you really cross the line, then we just don't want you on our team anymore, gtfo.
  On the right, it's like no matter what you've done, as long as you fight for the same thing as the others, you can still be on the team. This is why you see artists make a shift to the right, just before a big scandal, they know they will still have a fangroup as long as they share rightwing propoganda.
  This is great for the right wing in the short term, but eventually the techbros and the christofascists, and the Nazis will all realize that they don't really have anything in common, except a desire to rule everything. "But not like that, like this!"
  It's gonna be interesting to see the showdown between all the different fascist groups Trump has under his flag.

I just got back from my local Trans Action Committee weekly meeting and interrupted their discussion on their plans to further subvert our children to ask them about this, and they hate the idea!
- Trans is just trains without an i
  
  You can't spell "public transport" without "trans"!

200mph? Like those french trains in the nineties?
- 200mph is pretty good. That's 320 kph. IIRC, China's high speed rail has a max speed of 350kph, often cruising at 300kph.
- Yeah, even the german ICEs can do that much. US mediocratism as usual.
  
  Hey now, we were mediocre before but now have crossed well into toxic inferiority.
  
  Fun fact: the train pictured here is a Siemens Velaro. That's the same family of train as the ICE.
  It's the American Pioneer Edition, the variant for the American market, set to operate Brightline West services, but even that one is based on Velaro Novo, a platform designed 100% in Germany.
  Edit: Velaro Novo for comparison:
  
  It can do that much for about 20 minutes before it hits a Stau.
  
  ICE making America Great Again!!!!"

Hitler made the trains run on time.
(Not really)
- No, but Hitler built the Autobahn (mostly for war purposes) and to this day there a still a few Germans that use this for "at least he did something good".
  
  Not even that. The plans existed beforehand, and what the Nazis built was largely useless in war as rail logistics were way more important and the network was rather incomplete. What the Autobahn did enable, though, was the quick advance of allied troops. Parts of the Autobahn were also used as military airports which is why you see the current-day Autobahn make a weird curve around Ramstein Airbase. Those still exist but unlike in the cold war it's not airbases that can pop up within days but sections of paved median, with the barriers separating the directions being easily removable. That is, the runway is mostly in place, the rest would have to be constructed, OTOH it's dirt cheap to do.
  Mostly, for the Nazis, it was a works programme. Millions of unemployed were put to the task under quite bad working conditions, the workers then wrote letters to the Führer portraying the bad, "Ungermanic, dishonourable" behaviour of their bosses, those letters never reached Hitler they reached the GeStaPo. C.f. "Wenn das der Führer wüsste".
  Oh, EDIT, there's one good thing that came out of Nazi rule: They pushed full-grain bread, preferably rye, heavily. The whole ideology behind it was Nazi-typical bonkers, also preparation for a war economy, but the idea in general is definitely a good one and Germany kept its preference for at least partly full-grain as well as rye-heavy breads.
  
  "Fascist administration carried out infrastructure (using slave labour) that would create benefit for the companies it was serving" isn't the own fascists think it is.
  
  Cars <---> Fascism
- Wasn't that more Mussolini's thing ? (Only in the propaganda, but still.)
  
  Yeah, definitely Mussolini's propaganda
  
  I’ve heard both… let me check where it originated.
  Edit: yep. Mussolini gets firsties for the “Trains on time” propaganda. Looks like maybe around the early 1920s he was trying to convince people that fascists could do great things for society and the trains were part of the propaganda. Hitler gets mixed in to the trains propaganda much later.

If it has Trump's name on it it will either be a scam or a fantastic failure. When has anything he was involved in been anything else?

There are no tracks in the US that are safe for high speed trains
None
- Last I knew they were building or upgrading tracks in Texas-kansas for this.
- The Northeast Corridor already has high speed service.

Hey, the trains here go that fast too

With America's amazing track record of spending big on repairs and maintenance to infrastructure, I can see absolutely nothing going wrong with this at all.
- Let's declare a war on bad infrastructure! We can funnel all "War on Y" money in. America First! Let's reduce unemployment with a huge jobs program. Hire everyone to build tracks, trails, and parks.
  
  So, you're not going to believe this, but...
- Okay forget rails, we put big fucking monster-truck tires on the trains and just crash through the countryside.
- Just have the people who maintain the roads in michigan build it! What could go wrong!

Remember Palestine?
No, not that Palestine, the other Palestine.
Don't trust these trains.
- I mean, build the infrastructure like every other nation & then you can trust the train.
- One is a passenger train, another is a freight train carrying hazardous materials. The risks are VERY different.
  Also, if you're looking for something to blame for the East Palestine, Ohio, train derailment, look at lax regulations:
  Following the derailment, reaction and commentary focused on industry working conditions and safety concerns, including: the lack of modern brake safety regulations,[3] the implementation of precision scheduled railroading (PSR),[4] reduced railway workers per train, and increased train lengths and weight.

Yeah fuck it I'll support the Trump train

I'm all in favor of this, though he'll find some way to fuck it up, if it happens at all and isn't just a way to siphon money out of the government for his buddies

Oh I would hate that so much. Good thing they will never do that. wink wink
- Don't trans people hate trains too?

i agree twitter user @ FrottingIDK

Art of the deal.
- Act of the deal.

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Elon and people like him are just western versions of Dahir Insaat getting hyped over concepts that are infeasible, impractical, or just straight up grifts.
Looking at you, hyperloop

Why does your whole country have like 500 stations? The UK has 5 times that and is a hell of a lot smaller.

Shhhhhh don't call it a high speed rail or they'll never buy it

Oh, great, more phallic shapes to slap the Trump label on.

Wht the F dies it have to be called "The trump train" ? Jesus, what next ? trump air.
- If slapping his stupid name on it gets it built and distracts him from his more evil projects, it would be worth it. A little paint would change it later.
  Oh shit, unless, it just occurred to me, maybe their real purpose is to ship nontrumpists to concentration camps.
- Trump Air would just be a Dutch Oven though
  
  Well a Dutch oven can be say, a van full off pot/weed smoke, so that's not such a bad thing. Unfortunately the other type isn't something I'm enjoying in my mind, even with diapers on.
- Unfortunately, Trump Air only seems to ever have flights to that one island.
  
  Lol. Well I was actually meaning the air we breathe, but let's not give him any ideas.
- When you stare into the abyss...
  ...the Gulf of Trump stares back at you.
  
  Hmmmmm, there's a good name for that other Gulf that's been renamed recently. Oh shit noooooo
- Because they want everyone to "get on the Trump Train" (support Trump). That's all the original Trump Train post wants.
- Yup. And they'll serve trump steaks onboard
  
  Ah, that favourite cut of republicans, prime trump steak.

as great as high speed rail would be... the problem with this would be the people it would kill because they cut corners. same reason to be wary of any push for nuclear power by this administration.
- Trains cutting corners sounds like a bad thing...
  Bump bumpbump whoops!!

Bold to assume he would build something for the benefit of the peasant class. Or create something where he cannot profit from financialy.

Choose choo

Let me guess, this will become a gadgetbahn
- It will not become

Trump could propose universal healthcare & many on the left would suddenly hate the idea of everyone having healthcare.
- Bait so low quality even tuna won’t touch it
- I have never seen so many downvotes on this platform. Also why do you write such nonsense, do you truly believe that or are you simply trolling ?
  Also, you are a big silly.
  
  Its called projection. They automatically hate anything the other side does because they have no actual principles, so they assume the otherside would act the same.
- No, but most of us would be sceptical of how he'll implement it, if it ever comes to pass at all... He's announced a number of things I've actually agreed with and I can't think of a single time he's not found some way to fuck it up
- Where are you seeing this? I sort of see the opposite.
  For example, Hasan Piker, one of the most popular leftist streamers, has a MAGA hat that he puts on when they do something right.
  
  As always, the party of projection is unable to understand that the rest of us actually aren't tribalist twits.
- Not me. I don’t have blind allegiance to any team.
- He did say it, at least once. I know he didn't mean it, but still.
- you're getting loads of downvotes, but I honestly think it's mostly from people who feel called-out on some level that we all, as a society, have long abandoned wanting better outcomes and just want emotional validation.
  This is the trick that Russia and other entities amplified in our social media spaces and forums, the raw emotions and anger that leaves people making choices based on feelings rather than solid understanding of politics.
  I mean, it's too late now, it all worked and got people so distracted that we let the coyote in to guard the henhouse. But I mean, ideally yah we would need to put some better effort into separating how we feel from what we really want. That ship has sailed a long time ago, leftists are as delusional as the right now, but in a different direction. RIP democracy.