YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy
YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy
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YouTube removes 'gender identity' from hate speech policy
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More proof Rainbow Capitalism was a lie/ad campaign to take more money from queers.
I wish I could rub this in the face of every cishet who said Rainbow Capitalism was actual progress.
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(For reference: I am cishet, but have family & friends in the LGBTQ+ community and consider myself an ally.) Usually just lurk, but I feel you so badly.
I've been saying it forever as well. They're spending millions, to specifically target/advertise/appeal to the community... out of the goodness of their hearts? Right.
Then as soon as its "over", the facade drops and its on to the next big event/target market. Rinse and repeat.
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As a cishet I saw it what was as soon as they started it. It was about 10-15 years ago. It was sleazy then, and it's sleazy now. They are just trying to milk the population as much as they can. They don't give two fucks about inclusiveness or equality. They know a large portion of Americans want equality. So it's a cash cow.
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I mean, in the past companies wouldn't be caught dead associating with LGBTQ+ people, let alone take their money. Now LGBTQ+ is acceptable enough for predatory advertising so...idk progress from like a fucked up capitalist perspective I guess?
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Rainbow line must go up
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Haha absolutely, I'm also one of the people who always said all this rainbow and green washing is bullshit. As if they ever cared for anything.
Capitalism has no values, except for one: shareholder value. Yesterday they help sending people to concentration camps, today they help saving the world and increasing diversity, yeah, totally convincing.
There is one thing to rely on with capitalism - if you convince people you can make good money with it or it is good for the brand, they will jump onto it and squeeze the shit out of it. An abstract, amoral force, made from a large number of concrete shitty people.
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It's almost impressive how quickly the whole of the business world capitulated to Donald Trump.
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They didn't capitulate. They were mostly faking it all along, friend. It made for good profit at the time and to get good Blackrock or Vanguard investment money. This is why despite putting rainbows in X, or FB, or YT, or LinkedIn profiles in the USA or in some Western countries, no company ever did that in any profile outside the West. It was all for show... and money. If they actually believe it they would have done so across the board. Yet they didn't. They were just hoping most people wouldn't notice. Many did. There was a meme RE: this floating around from years ago, too.
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It’s almost like their support for these issues was never genuine to begin with.
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It's too hard to change anything, but only if it's progressive policies. Fascist policies can be implemented immediately.
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Well. Being a bigoted asshole is easy.
Actually being inclusive and nice to people takes effort.
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It's too hard to change anything if one believes in laws, rules and the general idea of a fair justice. They don't have this limitation.
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This is what's fucking shitty about this
Every company and every politician and every person who bends over so willingly IS THE PROBLEM
It's like they announce their regime and these idiots roll out the red carpets immediately ready be the first company to suck the government off
If they all stood their ground, it would buy more time
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They didn't capitulate. They never fought. They just did what was the best shot at earning money and gaining ground at the time.
Don't ever expect moral based behavior in capitalism or geopolitics.
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Don'tBe Evil-
Slavishly Follow the Fascist Government's Lead
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If you don't use the strikeout, you can save millions of dollar on toner/ink from not printing out an extra word at a corpo that big. I think I deserve a promotion for that insight as well, well worth the extra money!
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I am a building
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WHO ARE YOU I AM FROM ANCIENT GREECE
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They also allowed a pedo back on their platform
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Dr D?
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The one and only
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Man this whole anticipatory compliance with the fascist regime shit is fucking awful
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It's like Roko's Basilisk playing out in real time, except instead of building a malignant computer out of fear it's accelerating a fascist takeover.
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Welcome to how the world has always worked and always will. There's gin to help wash the black pill down.
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First reddit now youtube. Welcome to the tech broligarchy
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We need a good federated youtube replacement so badly...
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PeerTube isn’t bad, it just has no content
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It's always a question of money. It costs money to make quality content. YouTube has content because they share ad revenue to their content providers. That expands the more popular the content is because there are more ads displayed. That revenue lets the creators expand their capabilities with better gear and stage sets. Federated networks usually depend initially on volunteers and alternative ways of earning revenue for those instances besides ads.
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I'm a little bit confused on this: if you visit the policy page now it does (at least for me, in Europe) still list "Sex, Gender, or Sexual Orientation" as a protected group in that exact same list. Obviously slightly different as they've combined a couple of different groups in there where previously they were delineated: plus I wonder if this is potentially showing because I'm in a different region. Would be interested to see what someone in NA sees: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939
EDIT: Nevermind, saw further in the thread
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It's time to boycott Google as well now hu? Already ditched their search engine and moved to kagi
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don't have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No really, this is a phenomenon that's known. When people were protesting Blizzard, I swear to fucking god, people I knew for years who hadn't played WoW since they were kids suddenly decided to reactivate their accounts because all the talk about blizzard "made them nostalgic" and despite being sympathetic to the people hurt by the company, they simply didn't have the mental value-system to draw lines between those two things. Their own desires to escape and recapture youth was far, far stronger than the social messaging they honestly just felt was finger-wagging and parental scolding, so they rejected the idea of protesting without conscious thought.
And there are far, FAR more people like this than there are people with steadfast principles and discipline to stick to them. The depressing majority of people are not really thinking, they're just going with the flow, agreeing with popular sentiment when it's convenient, doing whatever they want when nobody is looking because capitalism has bled our axioms out.
If we put that much energy into volunteering with groups raising funds for primaries, getting to know our neighbors and forming communities, actually talking to people in our communities, we would abolish this fascist empire in a single election cycle. (Assuming we have elections again.)
edit: I firmly stand by my claim that you can change the world a lot better by being a good, active, social person who organizes your community. If we all kinda, embraced this as a passion and cared about people who aren't in our discord servers, we wouldn't need to try to boycott companies who won't give two shits about you giving them more press.
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Boycotts are not enough, but in combination with girlcotts they are very efficient.
I'll see myself out.
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Boycotts are performative stunts that feel good but don’t have impact on companies and even gets more attention ON those companies.
No they aren't? People just haven't actually been pissed off enough to actually wield the weapon of "ok, fine, now I will not buy ANYTHING from you".
Boycotts most definitely work, Tesla's stock is plummeting, and one of the major reasons is an aggressive and enthusiastic boycott of buying Telsas (also they suck).
This isn't to say in any given situation a boycott is the best strategy to use, or that your organizing energy isn't better spent elsewhere, but don't dismiss boycotts when we are seeing one of the most effective high profile ones in recent memeory be VERY successful.
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Yeah, the Tesla boycott totally didn't work...
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While I hate Google, this seems like one of those much ados over nothing. They specifically mention 'sex, gender, or sexual orientation', which to most reasonable people would cover gender identity.
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"Gender" means nothing without context. By a MAGAs definition of gender this policy doesn't protect trans people, for example. We don't know how this rule will be interpreted in practice. Even if you don't consider the intent behind making this change, this is objectively a weaker guarantee of protection than what we had with "gender identity and expression".
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This is not a legal contract, it's a general guideline for users about what is or isn't acceptable. The intent and spirit of the terms are clear, the only question is whether Google will enforce them not. If the enforcement is crappy, like what Facebook is famous for, it doesn't matter a damn what exact terminology they use in the guidelines.
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What matters is how this affects enforcement.
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It doesn't. It's not like this page gets used internally. They have their own internal guidelines for that.
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When an influential group of powerful people make hate speech a part of their standard rhetoric, is EXACTLY when you MUST block it on your platform, not a signal that it's time to start letting it slide, you fucking pricks.
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Pichai kissed the ring. He's colluding with the person who tried to overturn the elections and install himself as a ruler.
All of the billionaires that were at the inauguration are in the same boat. I'm at a point where I believe the crimes of any of them should be tried and convicted with the punishments being doled out collectively to all colluders, but that's me.
I'd be going for the death penalty from the prosecution side, since it seems like that is what we do now to people who cause one or more people to die, no matter how unethical the victim(s) were.
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I'm not in favor of YouTube, but what exactly missing here?
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It used to say gender expression and identity. If it doesn't, that's a deliberate decision that could cause enforcement calls like 'well that's not your REAL gender so this isn't harassment'.
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I mean.. It's already over-specified compared to others: "sex, gender or sexual orientation". It'd be equally right to criticize religion for why don't they write "belief, spiritualism, religion", and to include identity, and expression.
They should just write "sex stuff", and everyone is happy.
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Probably because no one is actually using any gender identity based bigotry any more. So they might as well just remove it, it saves space. /s
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Look at the latest executive order on "protecting children". They are planning for eugenics.
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And people judged me for watching YouTube with uBlock Origin, or via NewPipe for eons.
Look who's laughing now.
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Good lord, the amount of idiots that white knighted me for using uBlock.
"WOULD U WORK FOR FREEEEE????!!?"
Like fuck off no I wouldn't. I also dont buy up every other company I see, turn it to shit and then try to force a political agenda through it, and guess who IS doing that using billions of dollars? Yep, Google.
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Won’t someone think of the shareholders?
/s
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Those aren't opinions I would care about in the first place. Somebody thinks you should be watching ads? WTF?
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LTT is very sure that following the FBIs recommendation for always using an adblocker is piracy for one example.
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but google's profits!!!
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Please think about billionaires!
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There's some justification for this idea since the people who buy the products advertised by ads are the source of the money that goes to the producers of the videos.
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YouTube on mobile is intolerable these days. NewPipe is the way for Android, though Google is in a constant battle to disable it.
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youtube is too infested with ads, to make me disable ublock origin for my favorite channels. in anycase most of the channels become greedy pos overtime anyways. outside of pet one/animals/stem ones, ones that are just gossip or reaction or like mr beasts videos are no good.
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Stop using youtube.
EDIT: A lot of people real fuckin triggered by this and looking for any excuse to keep using. Fucking addicts.
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What else has such a catalog? Going to be hard to persuade creators to host their own content with ads and subscriptions.
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Lots of popular Youtubers are already there, and they strip the sponsor segments out of their content too.
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It's not an easy answer, but the best way I've found so far is to use GrayJay.
If I find that one of the content creators I follow on YouTube happen to post their content on any other platform, I switch my subscription to that platform.
Besides YouTube they support Nebula, Twitch, Odysee, PeerTube, Dailymotion, Bitchute, Kick, BiliBili, Rumble, Patreon, and more.
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- Remember that one with the dancing penis lmao. That had nothing to do with all the other else
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Not just catalog for viewing. What other platform can I use as cloud storage for video files for free? I have hundreds of hours of stuff uploaded there.
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We really should be working together to upload content from youtube to peertube instances.
Don't ask for permission. Just do it. Civilly disobey.
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Catalog of what?
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Go outside.
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Maybe people could read more?
Nobody needs this endless "content" slop.
For real people need to get a grip if they can't survive without it. They're addicted.
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not just stop, rip every half decent video from there and save it somewhere else. Losing everything in youtube is library of alexandria level loss.
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Do it fast, they're trying to kill yt-dlp with DRM.
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Definitely stop
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Judging a captive market for not being able to break free from a monopoly is just another form of oppression, buddy.
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If as many people as possible self host their own peertube, even for just your own videos, it wouldn't replace youtube completely, but it would be a giant leap in the right direction.
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No, I won't.
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Any suggestions where to go? I mostly watch warhammer painting content such as tutorials for techniques I don’t know and video game content either long form retrospectives to fall asleep or guides for what I am playing. I’ve tried to get off YouTube completely but these specific niches are all that’s left for me.
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Cant help you with this specific type of content, but you could use Invidious.io to watch YouTube Videos. Still better than nothing. No Google API, No Tracking, no Ads and pre installed SponsorBlock.
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So, sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?
Because a lot of the time, it's weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.
The dude has been in the driver's seat for pretty much every major deterioration of Google/alphabet for years.
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Prabhakar Raghavanalso also deserves a dishonorable mention.
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He donated a million to Trump’s “inauguration” and sat in the VIP section, he was already a CEO that sucks.
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list of CEOs that suck?
Isn't that simply called CEO list?
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True, true
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it’s weird that when the company does nasty shit, nobody names him as the head asshole in charge the way that other companies and ceos get handled.
hard to remember name (for americans, europeans, or at least me) i assume compare that to "Spez" which is very, very easy to remember and plaster around as the one evil to blame for a systems behavior
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Don't forget current Youtube CEO Neal Mohan and former Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki!
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Damn we were eating good with Susan, comparitivly speaking anyway.
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sundar pinchai can be added to the list of CEOs that suck?
Been on that list since he became a CEO
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always has been
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I hated Google far before it was cool. I would feel vindicated if it weren't so damn overdue. They don't even contribute meaningfully to society. And I mean that about EVERYTHING
Gmail is lame, their search engine sucks, chrome wastes resources, their ads platform ruined the internet, Golang fundamentally sucks, the emulation layer of android is so fucking wasteful, Material Design ruined digital creativity, etc.
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Google search feels like it has stopped being the magic it was. Now whenever I search for something I might not find it underneath all the stuff on sale. For the first time in I don't know how many years I've been finding myself using something else like Duck Duck Go.
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The AI nonsense, the flawed ranking and the pages of sponsored links. Honestly, Google is just straight up useless.
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Yep, that's intentional. They stopped prioritizing user experience and started prioritizing ad revenue instead a while ago
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Consider the decentralized family of https://trom.tf/ apps, such as https://search.trom.tf/ as a replacement (that's the only one I use of their stuff so far... but may poke around more later).
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their ads platform ruined the internet
Ads were the bane of the internet FAR before Google even fucking existed. lol
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and yet somehow google made it worse. Not only are there more ads than ever before, but now it's also a panopticon.
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You think chrome is bad? You should try the GCP console, 2 tabs were using 15GB RAM.
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It's okay. I gotcha so you don't got to ssy it
Spicehoarder told y'all so!
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I need someone like you around.
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What's wrong with Golang? Agrees on all other points, and perhaps this one as well
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The key point here is our programmers... They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language... So, the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand ―Rob 'Commander' Pike, creator of Go
And here's a related blog post: https://valuedrivenit.blogspot.com/2015/12/to-go-language-is-mess.html?m=1
It's a very opinionated language in the worst way possible.
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Reposting my comment another post relating to this situation
I mean this is just them making official how they've been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women's issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube's rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube's TOS
Companies are not your friend.
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Months ago I reported a Nazi. Like a real Nazi. With a hitler pfp. And they didn't ban him. This is the channel of the Nazi: https://youtube.com/channel/UCZijsnbYQawRHi-Z3DwEcTA
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Just don't make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi's videos, because that's when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.
Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it's because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it's hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively... on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that's only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.
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Wish I could say I'm surprised, but I've had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they've even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.
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Don’tbe evil
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"Don't Be Evil"
(I know this hasn't been the Google motto in years -- when it stopped was one of the biggest corporate red flags)
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Google now reserves the right to "be evil".
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It's right there in the TOS! /s
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„Be evil, break people“ is the current motto of silicon valley.
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If they were really serious about not being evil, they would've formed as a public benefit corporation (which they did not).
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Yes. Avenues exist. But money is corrupting.
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Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there's a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you've clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.
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what's the best queer friendly instance? :^
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I don't know, but here's a list of instances https://joinpeertube.org/instances
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both offer more curated platforms that arent owned and operated by the broligarchy
I realize Peertube is free and Floss but it's esoteric and lacking buy in; like a great open source console with no games. (Whats more if you dont use a VPN it can be used to track your view history, iirc)
I'm broke af but planning on getting subscriptions to both asap; real shit bc if the monetization model is "free" (ads) then you the viewer are the product, units for their ecomomy.
and they'll canibalize you when their done with queer people, brown people and other marginalized folks like me.
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thanks
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That is why centralized platforms, especially powerful ones, are sitting ducks waiting to become even more corrupt. Why more people are not leaving centralized services is a crime against humanity as it is clear that supporting theme means society suffers.
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The 'not leaving centralized services' thing isn't really helped when there's basically no other viable alternatives, like is the case with YT. PeerTube exists, sure, but it's a content desert, sadly.
Now, if PeerTube had more content to choose from.....
Really though, Reddit, Meta, Twitter, and Discord all have viable decentralized alternatives in the form of Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon (Mastodon serving as an alternative for both Facebook and Twitter), and Matrix respectively, why can't PeerTube serve as a truly viable decentralized alternative for YT?
Even Linux is in its glow-up arc as a viable Windows alternative lately ffs, and I'm glad to have been on that bandwagon for years before that platform started gaining mainstream attention.
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The big problem with PeerTube(PT) is that there is no advertising. As it stands now people are burning money in order to run a PT instance and YouTube(YT) was not at all profitable for many years so it is unlikely that PT ever will be unless people start being willing to pay for people to upload their content to PT. There are ways that you could make PT profitable but it would end up making it into something more similar to Patreon or Nebula.
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It's frightening. Why do people not make an effort to leave Reddit?
How can the same people run a dictatorship of the proletariat? Even democracy, I don't see how society as a whole can avoid being manipulated.
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youtube has enshittified for a while, they went downhill as soon as they announced that they no longer backed election denial reports. then all the right wing, anti-woke videos started popping up all over the place, plus the one that try to seem like its both sides videos too.
allowing people like beast, and others to dominate the front, was asking for trouble.
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This was bound to happen after the election results just a matter of time. Also, hate speech related content possibly gets a lot of clicks. So capitalism benefits. Next is, possibly but hopefully not, Bluesky's official server.
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I dont see Bluesky going down the enshittification path thát fast
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I dont trust anything that isn't fully decentralized. Bluesky is very weird in that regard, its partially centralised. I guess it's better than Twitter (but that is setting the bar very low). I still refrain from using it too often.
It will almost certainly have ads in the future and will inevitably go down the path of reddit, twitter and Facebook so I prefer to use something that is completely out of reach of the CEO if something goes to shit.
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Hopefully. If Youtube did it, who's to say now that Bluesky may or may not jump ship? It's an industry. However, i'm mainly pointing at the main server, other servers on Bluesky might not jump ship so fast, or not at all (ideally).
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Showing how truly performative their big “ally” push was during the pandemic. All their BLM and diversity support was just as performative. Big corporations are just sycophantic monsters riding trends. Avoid them where possible.
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There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.
By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I'd happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.
I don't want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.
If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can't see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.
Well.. Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we'll see
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I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.
Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they're effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.
God I miss the pre-Youtube era. "Content creators" looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.
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I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.
More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.
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People expect to pay a carpenter or a plumber for their services, why shouldn't entertainers and content creators be allowed to get paid for their work?
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I subscribe to a lot of full time "content creators" that are ad supported and supported via donations.
I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.
I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.
Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?
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MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators.
MetaFilter has at multiple points been on the verge of shutting down, no? IIRC, you pay $5 for an account.
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Nebula
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They don’t want proof that what’s going to be happening soon, was ever mortally objectionable.
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Why even bother with a hate speech policy? Oh, right, money.
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strange, they have allowed it ont he channel for quite a while, alot of the videos were mostly directed at transpeople in the form of anti-woke videos. like that channel where it had 20 magats arguing vs 1 "liberal".
right wing drives viewers to grifters, and those have ads which benefits youtube.
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Also right wingers are dumb as hell and don’t use adblock.
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Google should get destroyed
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Fuck rainbow capitalism
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I'm more concerned about "anti-rainbow" capitalism. Like what's happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that's just reactionary.)
Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.
Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.
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A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.
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What was YouTube before Google bought it? Can it be remade again, or have all servers been captured?
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Nebula
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I mean something free
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What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.
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Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I'm not sold on the content.
I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.
Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don't love.
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The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.
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Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you'll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the "Groupe Canal" (which includes "CNews", the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.
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feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.
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No one wants to talk about PeerTube?
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There's a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.
https://lemmy.world/c/peertube
Check out top for a decent selection. It's a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It's federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.
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Because the user experience is horrible for non-creators.
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I don't think it's possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.
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There really isn't one. That's why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.
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I mean they allow porn videos and animal torture videos on YouTube so like
Oh and snuff videos
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As reported from a substack writer… 🤮
Substack platforms and monetizes Nazis.
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Mind providing a bit more context to this so I can look it up ? I’ll boycott substick if need be.
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I found some older news articles, but nothing more recent for an update.
https://techcrunch.com/2024/01/09/substack-nazi-content-policies-controversy/
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https://www.platformer.news/leaving-substack-platformer-year-four/ This looks to be straight from the person that BroBot9000 was referring to. Interesting read.
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Oh sorry, didn't know about that
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As i signed up for this sub, I thought I'd be reading about technology. Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology, so naturally they call everyone nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean.
Just because someone doesn't want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn't mean they're nazis. But I guess that's not something that this sub is ready to face.
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Just your garden variety bigots and assholes then?
Also, I think you should read up on what facisim is and why it's being so widely used right now as highly oppressive rhetoric is being pushed from many far-right leaders throughout the world.
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I know exactly what fascism means, and often what the left is doing aligns better with the definition than what the right is doing. Also, let's not forget that "nazi" is a short form for "national socialism"
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I'm with you on the "they're not Nazi thing"
I think Lemmy is being a space for targeted radicalization for certain groups.
But still I think you're wrong that we can separate technology from this political stuff right now. It's not separate. Technology is the medium that groups are using to spread this stuff. It's important and interesting to see how they're doing it.
Content should focus on the tech side of it. And also why be angry at the side that's just trying to protect their freedoms here. If it wasn't for the people trying to limit their freedoms, we'd never hear of this stuff.
The issue isn't people trying to identify as another gender. It's the people saying no they can't and then abusing their power and influence to do it.
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Sure, you can't always separate the technology from the politics, my issue was that this is what most posts around here are about. I took a look and most content comes a few accounts, and it's always about the "nazi this" and "fascist that". Is that really only thing that happens in the tech space, what Musk said and what YouTube changed in their policy?
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nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean
I am Jack's complete lack of self awareness
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Hang on. I just scrolled down the comments list for a couple of minutes and didn't see anyone calling anyone else a Nazi or a fascist. What are you going on about?
And YouTube is a company. They don't believe in anything except increasing shareholder value. It's got nothing about far left or whatever. Gender identity isn't even a far left idea, unless your Overton window is skewed.
Also, you've just sort of outed yourself unnecessarily as an ignorant bigot in a left leaning community with your statement:
Just because someone doesn't want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn't mean they're nazis
Of course they're not Nazis. No one's calling them a Nazi. They're calling that someone a bigot.
Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology
Actually, it's people who are concerned about companies kowtowing to a fascist regime, the Trump government.
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Womp womp, get bent and bootlick Trump in hopes he might acknowledge you for his next grift.
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Thanks?
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Seems like you are getting downvoted, but I agree with you that nowadays people use words like nazi and fascist very loosely. I'm very sure that a large part of the people can't tell what nazi or fascist really is without looking it on Wikipedia.
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Seeing as you apparently need someone to look the word up for you.
Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition
Let's see.
- Christian nationalism is a huge part of Trumps support group
- Cops target brown people to attempt to deport them and Trump pardons them for ignoring court orders to stop (Joe Apaio)
- Trump continues to deport people based on skin and looks without due process. Ignoring courts telling him to stop.
- Trumps America first slogan is eerily similar to Hitlers slogan.
- Trump is starting to isolate the US from the rest of the world (but curiously not Russia)
But I do agree, they're not Nazis, they're MAGA. Their own brand of fascism.
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This is an unhelpful and condescending comment. It dismisses the meaningful activities people engage in online as "not life": self expression, creating art and community, working, socializing, enjoying entertainment, and learning new things. It proposes a false dichotomy wherein not-online is utopic with universally accessible activities and, especially, an absence of the very same people who make online spaces toxic hellholes. They are present in "real spaces" too. These are not mutually exclusive things. You are likely to find that pro-social activists online are often try to be pro-social activists in person as well.
That being said, I agree that people get terminally online and that balancing digital and physical lives are important. Managing attention and mental health are important, especially when content about important and meaningful topics turn into viral and incessant feeds that are geared to overwhelm human brains that weren't evolved to handle such constant cognitive/emotional stress.
Take care out there folks.
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Hey. I'm learning Spanish, I'm a volunteer, and I run and cycle on the regular!
Somehow, that doesn't stop you sounding like a bigot though...
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No thanks.
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What else am I going to do when I'm stuck in an office 10 hours every day?
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I would appreciate it if we could just get rid of this dumbass "hate speech" rule.
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I would appreciate it if we could get rid of this dumbass. ^
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On the one hand, less censorship, on the other, something a lot worse.
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Good.
Let people say what they want and you can ignore them if you don't like what's being said.
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I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): "I'm just asking questions" and "I'll let anyone speak" are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.
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