Revolugeddon [Rule]
Revolugeddon [Rule]
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Leftists: We should organize together to meet our needs outside of those systems which were never designed to benefit us
Democrats for some reason: OK but if one of these people was going to poop on you no matter what which one would you pick
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Wat?
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It's called millenarianism. Originally in reference to christians like those described who anticipated Christ's return in 1000 and then 2000 AD. A millenarian outlook is an ultimately narcissistic assumption that one is living at the cusp of the end of history. When really, it's usually just because we lack the ability to imagine what life will be like beyond the present historical moment.
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We will forever be at the cusp of tomorrow’s balls
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That's why you need to organize now, build dual power and start chipping away at the power of capital and the state. A revolution will not materialize out of the blue, and if it did we'd be royally fucked without some semblance of a plan where we're going with it. That's how you get demagogues and tyrants hijacking revolutionary momentum for their own gain.
The reaction will likely force a revolution (via escalating repression, etc) if they see their monopoly to power threatened, but until then, continue to strengthen your communities, build workers' councils and protect the vulnerable in society. We can start building utopia I'm the shell of the old world, and be ready when the reaction strikes.
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most would rather do nothing wrong than anything right
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build dual power now!
live the revolution
PREFIGURE UTOPIA
THE NEW IN THE SHELL OF THE OLD
ORGANIZE
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if anything, it's the opposite. to libs, not voting is seen as a cardinal sin because you don't agree that waiting for the electoral system to bring about salvation is a normal reaction.
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We can do both, we can vote to try to change things and we can also try to force things when the people we vote for don't do the things they said they would to get us to vote. I don't know why so many people act like it has to be one or the other
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What you described is pretty much how electorialism works in the real world, both in the past and the present, and thanks to that we live in an absolute utopia.
But on a more serious note, liberal democracy is just an illusion of freedom and an illusion of "power for the people". In reality, it's been meticulously crafted to only benefit the rich with its barriers for entry designed to keep the poor out - for instance, one has to get an expensive education to even get started (or have a load of money to buy a degree outright), having enough money to fund a platform for yourself to get enough supporters to form a party, then do expensive advertising of your party's message, having funds to combat any kind of political meddling from the competition, connections that one wealthy enough might get are also incredibly helpful, etc. There's a reason why the vast majority of politicians parents links are blue on wikipedia - it's not a meritocracy.
There's many more critiques like how checks & balances are there to keep the capitalist system and not necessarily to stop abuses as certain populists are demonstrating nowadays, how people are essentially powerless after voting for the next 4-5 years, electorialism being used to distract from class struggle (via reactionary politics, culture wars) which keeps people from turning against the rich properly and instead choosing which side of the rich one wants to support, etc.
In short, if there's going to be any meaningful, good change for us workers, it isn't going to come from electorialism, and its important to be aware of this fact, not grow too complacent.
At the same time, there's no revolution to be seen, partly precisely because of the things outlined above so yeah...
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i dont think direct action and self organizing should be a reaction to people voted into power acting against the interests of the people. i see then as the goals in themselves.
we should not be ruled by anyone, not even people we voted for. the power needs to be with us, the people. representative democracy is taking that power away.
so i would say, even when politions in power do what the people who elected them want them to do, we should still self organize, to regain our own power and not be relient on the mercy of politions
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no thx. voting is silly
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Voting is upholding a bad system that makes things worse.
Not voting is inaction that lets the system make things worse.
Idk how people can't understand that there are no "right" answers, nomatter if we personally believe that voting does/doesn't help we all collectively want better and getting there starts with working together rather then scapegoating
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