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Hell Nah!

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Back in the day they were saying "don't let the terrorists win"
Now it's communists?
Are there any real communists left in the world?
The only existing communist states left in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
...and even these states do not claim to have achieved communism in their countries but are supposedly building and working toward its establishment.
China is the most capitalist communist country I've ever seen
- China is just capitalism with extra spicy corruption.
  
  China is a fascist economy without the extreme jingoism
  
  I mean...
  
  Extreme jingoism is more like threatening to invade your closest ally of 150 years because of woke, that's just sparkling imperialism
  
  I don't disagree but that's just whataboutism.
  
  No, it's describing an actual example. This is why whataboutism is a disputed fallacy, you realize.
  Though one might point out that while Xi publicly denounces hegemony and extreme nationalism there's quite a lot of jingoist rhetoric pushed through other means, not to mention saber rattling over territory, that's still a far cry from the head of state threatening to invade your neighbors just because.
- The fear of communists came way before the fear of terrorists.
  
  It's retro fear.
  
  Retcom
  
  So like, a long-ass time ago, a populist movement started overthrowing capitalist economies or monarchies and ever since then, anyone who wants to get a lot of money from everyone else has been deathly terrified of the thing. Never mind it never really worked. Never mind if it DID work, you wouldn't need all that money.
  It's always just people who really want to feel special worried that something is going to make them feel less special. Usually it's something sexual like insecurity about their dicks or other men banging their girls. (No really, almost every authoritarian/fascist movement has started with sexually insecure men, this has been studied.)
  So this all really boils down to some people saying we can all level the field so everyone is equal and have the same opportunities, and the dudes who know they can never feel equal to others raging against the very notion because they are really, really insecure about but obsessed with the dicks of other men.
  As a result you have the suffering of billions of people. I wish I could make it make sense.
  
  The threat of communism is far more real to empire which is the by far the worst terrorist.
- China has a stock market and investment banks
  
  Were you under the impression anyone thinks China is communist?
  
  Yes, the tankie types will criticize me for not understanding what “socialism with Chinese characteristics” means. Apparently it’s socialism where the workers do not control the means of production.
  
  The traditional Marxist argument would be that Marx thought liberalism/capitalism could be a required step towards communism, even if he had some hope of Russia skipping the stage for cultural reasons.
  They then claim that China is merely in that step towards socialism, and point to things like the re-education of certain billionaires as proof that the people/party are still in control.
  Personally I think that's a bunch of nonsense and they're a fascist state that, admittedly, will probably be less racist and expansionist than the incoming American Empire.
  
  Right-wingers, whether fash or red fash (tankies), agree that China is commie because they have no idea what communism is.
  
  Do people really use tankies for anything other than entertainment?
  
  The types who bleat about "actually existing socialism" do.
  Cuba has the best argument, IMO. The people they killed/tossed out mostly had it coming. Most of the problems can be directly attributed to US sanctions, and those sanctions only serve the interests the people who got thrown out (or their decedents, at this point). Both the US and Cuba are harmed more than they're helped by those sanctions.
  If I wanted an example of Marxist-Leninism working, Cuba would be it, even with obvious issues. The rest are only successful if you have a shitty definition of success.
- Are there any real communists left in the world?
  It's arguable if there ever really were any. Hasn't been an actual communist nation.
  But it sure makes a handy-dandy villain when anyone suggests implementing socialist plans that may take even a shaving of a dime from hungry corporations who need perpetual growth.
  
  Hasn’t been an actual communist nation.
  Communism is directly incompatible with the violent hierarchy of states.
  
  I fully agree, it's an idea ahead of it's time, but only because our population isn't ready. We're too flawed and stupid and emotional and superstitious, and the black pill is we always will be. We have plateaued.
  I say this and get immediately met with "But they said before a century ago, they said our tech and knowledge peaked!"
  And I'm not talking about our tech or our textbooks, I'm saying how much abstraction and complexity the average human can comprehend, and we're only as fast as our slowest runner. Our inherent language abilities aren't sufficient even in our smartest populations, we are still completely ruled by emotional reactions, we have brains that write stories to explain feelings and we don't question that the stories aren't logical, and then use these conclusions to write policy which corrals us even further.
  We will continue to make more and more amazing tools and machines that surpass us, but we won't have a higher general level of understanding and cognition than we do now. We don't have the evolutionary pressures, and in fact our brains are generally shrinking because being smart isn't necessarily a survival tool in nature.
- China is not communist.
- The only existing communist states left in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).
  None of these places are communist.
  There are many actual commies/leftists but we're completely attacked and obscured by the hegemonic right-wing ideologies (eg. liberalism, fascism, etc.).

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