I cant wait to remove all the american products from my life!

Hey, Sunshine, if you're interested, I highly recommend contributing to OpenStreetMap if/where you can. The built-in iD editor for desktop web is phenomenal and very easy but powerful, and the third-party Vespucci app for Android on F-Droid works very well. OpenStreetMap is still missing data in relatively large cities (let alone probably out in rural areas), and that especially includes sidewalks, residential buildings, addresses, and contact information. Even just making sure the information is complete and up-to-date the next time you visit a business, park, etc. (and marking the 'Last Checked Date') is profoundly useful. I'd be free to answer any questions you might have!
- ngl for a second I thought "what a weird way to start a comment" before I checked and realized her username was sunshine lol
- Am I just not using it right or is it impossible to look up just a normal address? I love the idea of open maps and have contributed a few places, but the UI is difficult for me to figure out.
  
  I use organic maps which uses open street maps, and I cannot get it to bring up anything by address. If I search the business name it brings it up, but not by address. Same thing with my home address, I can get it to bring up the street, but not my house.
  
  I find better luck finding addresses when adding a comma between the house number and street name. i.e "123, James Road".
  
  Good question! Hopefully my answer below can help. The short answer is, no, you're not using it wrong, although contributing these addresses will make them show up.
- Do you know if there's a way to improve the routing part? I find it often takes really obtuse paths that go out of the way and add time. It shows the more optimal roads as existing, so I'm not sure why. Maybe missing speed limits or something that make it think worse roads are more optimal?
  
  OsmAnd? I've found it's often worse than GMaps for driving but ends up strictly better for walking, cycling, or just telling me where I am right now. OsmAnd for me often goes out of the way in weird ways by car, so right now I use OsmAnd for cycling, walking, and orientation where it's quite superior (and where I'm less familiar with good routes) and then use it just to tell me where a destination is if I'm driving and figure the route myself. This route-self-figuring isn't practical for everyone (longer routes, more complicated infra, just not that good with directions), and for that I either recommend something other than OsmAnd like GMaps (GMaps seems to give basically optimal routes for driving; it just falls flat on its face for walking and cycling) or, if you're feeling like having fun about it and have time to kill, looking along the route to see if there's missing info (either along the route OSM chooses that would negatively impact it or along the route you would choose that would positively impact it). The level of data granularity on OSM is kind of insane, so I would keep it limited to things that could plausibly impact travel times.
  Something to keep in mind is that OSM at its core is the database itself. The renderer, navigation, visual editor, etc. are just plug-and-play – anyone could use the underlying dataset to try their hand at it. For example, a slightly suboptimal route I was talking about earlier happens on OsmAnd but not on the OSM website proper, which gives a perfect route between the points. Thus, I don't let OsmAnd's driving bugs dampen my enthusiasm for the project, since OSM stores much more information than GMaps and is thus perfectly capable of enabling routing software to make great choices. I've also seen OsmAnd continually improve over my time using it, where now it takes fewer questionable routes (likely both the data getting filled in and the routing algorithm being improved). This is definitely speaking from a position of privilege, though, since I'm not e.g. in a new city where I'm still learning where everything is; I'm instead in a position to take missing info as it comes and fill in the gaps.
  I will note that sometimes it really is because some data is missing. For instance, I performed a stress test by creating a bicycling route diagonally from one end of town to the other. Adding data about traffic signals like stop signs meaningfully changed the route and seemed to improve it. With the crazy level of navigation-relevant detail that OSM stores (this also includes highly granular accessibility info), I would be surprised if a routing app hasn't outpaced GMaps for literally everything in the next 5–10 years.
- the easiest way to contribute is by using the app streetcomplete. It's basically like a game.
- Which apps are available on Android for OSM?
  
  For editing, I recommend Vespucci and StreetComplete. I personally much prefer the former, but some people swear by StreetComplete.
  For navigation, I recommend OsmAnd or Organic Maps. This is another situation where some people swear by Organic Maps but where I much prefer OsmAnd.
  
  In addition to the ones already mentioned, there is another one for contributing called Every Door
  
  E.g Osmand, organicmaps, magic earth. Magic earth is as far as I know the only one supporting real time traffic (and hence route optimization upon traffic incidents)
- Thank you Thetechinician! That's great advice indeed as OpenStreetMap needs all the help it can get! I'm currently using Organic Maps/Every Door and Go Map!! to contribute to the mobile side of things. Then on Desktop, I'm using the JOSM editor however it has quite the learning curve.
- I use Street Complete on mobile to make contributions.
  Its intuitive and surfaces less often though about attributes like wheel chair accessibility and hard surface textures

U.S. citizen here. Don’t even blame you. Just to be clear, we hate this too. Maybe Canada can save us.
- You guys should be out on the streets protesting en masse. Being complacent is the same as showing you're okay with all of these.
  Meanwhile actual americans are being pulled into unmarked vans for looking latino.
  
  Believe me, we are. They just don’t show it on the news. Plus boycotting mainstream vendors like Walmart, target, etc.
  Also going to rallies and down ballot candidates. Some important local elections coming up and watch Florida for their special election.
  It sucks. But, we have to fight our way out of it.
  
  Media is not showing anything. We are out in 1000s
  
  Something like 60-70% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Most people can't afford to protest. And healthcare insurance and other things are tied to our jobs.
- US the 11th Canada province when?
  
  #CanadiansRiseUp

For fuckin years the foss community has told us to stop using these products. It only took them all turning into literally fascist for people to finally stop giving them power
- FOSS is so much better!
- It only took them turning facist? We‘re not even remotely close to not giving them power in the corporate world. :/
  
  Very few people are giving up this corporate tech as it is.
- Canadia really are in no position to call others fascists anyway.
  
  Icl I never personally fully agreed with their govt's politics, but at least they can stand on fucking business, unlike their conservatives. Imagine if Poland just bent over backwards when Hitler invaded, instead of fighting. How can you fully question your own sovereignty like that, especially to a "country" that "gained their independence" from YOU.
  How can Keir Starmer not show unwavering support to a country that not only shares a head of State but also as a Commonwealth nation. UK politicians showing way too much support to a country that couldn't give a toss about them. Canada should be demanding the land they once had back from the US, and Mexico should demand the land that the US stole from them.
  
  Take off, eh

Just a reminder, if you are in the EU or the UK you have a right to request the personal data collected by the service you want to leave. Acquire this data before you close your account!

JCB is a japanese alternative to the American credit card payment processors.
It didn't participate in visa and MasterCard's collusion to boycott and bankrupt manga, anime and art sites.
- Interesting. I've only ever known this JCB.:
- Wait what, what happened with Visa and MasterCard and manga sites?
  
  They have been sanctioning sites like pixiv for years, and last year also were the reason Ken Akamatsu's (Love Hina author) manga archive site for out of print manga was shutdown, and why sites like Melonbooks (one of the largest in japan) only can accept JCB payment now.
  Visa and MasterCard have a history of sanctioning anything that has anime and manga adult content, and I'm not talking about loli, just any adult content.
- I really wish JCB was in Canada. C’mon Japanese friends make a deal with Mark Carney to strengthen our economies together.

How does one realistically move away from Google maps?
- Consider switching to !organicmaps@sopuli.xyz
  
  Also, make an account on OpenStreetMap (OSM), which is what Organic Maps uses for data. OSM is the Wikipedia of maps. You can use Organic Maps or any other OSM editor to add anything that's missing and correct anything that's wrong or out of date, then see your changes in the next map update.
  
  Why use organic maps instead of openstreetmaps?
- Magic earth
- How does one realistically move away from Google maps?
  It's still possible to buy an all-in-one navigation device to keep in a vehicle. They're often much nicer than phone apps, now.
- OSMand~ app

I've had my Google Voice number since 2005 when it was originally called GrandCentral.
I don't think there is any place I could port my number that would let me keep service for free.
And I have never found a reasonably price alternative that doesn't seem sketchy or gimmicky or built just for business, that also seems like it will be around in another 10 years.
Any ideas?
- I wouldn't count on google keeping any service around for the next 10 years.

Sincere question: Is it really an American company if the products are designed and built all over the world? Like if it’s a car company, and those cars are built in your country — are you doing more harm than good?
(Not that you shouldn’t be boycotting most of the items in your list for being shitty, not just American.)
- American here
  A large portion of it is about who is at the controls and what jurisdiction they are beholden to. I would recommend against buying a GM car built in Canada for this reason alone
  Voting with your wallet in tangible money is naturally also very helpful as the only god our companies worship is The Dollar.
  Good is not the enemy of perfect though, less money and control to my fascist occupied country is the goal, even if incremental.
- I look at it through money. Where is its HQ located at and where does it “apparently” pay its taxes. If any of that Info is in USA then it’s an American Company. Hit their bottom line by not paying into what they are dealing.
- Assuming they're an American-owned, American-headquartered company, more harm than good is debatable, but they don't operate in other countries out of charity. It has to be profitable. And it's the profit that goes to America. Yes they build local factories, yes they pay local employees, sometimes they buy local commodities, perhaps they do a bit of local charity (usually for tax breaks) and in these ways they contribute to the local economy, but the profits go back home. And if they ever decide it's not profitable anymore, they will lay off most of those employees, sell anything that isn't easily movable or worth moving, and take all that money back home too. Some of your money stays local, but a lot of it leaves the country, sometimes the lion's share of it, and even more of it is only in your country temporarily for as long as you remain profitable.
  That said, the reasoning breaks down with most of the megacorp brands you're familiar with. The billionaires that own them and even the less hyperwealthy executives are essentially nation-fluid black holes of money. It doesn't matter if they're "based" in your country, they will never pay tax, and your money will most likely never see the light of day again. It will only be used for their demented vanity projects, wasted in pointless displays of madness and excess, burned to fuel their enormous egos.
  That's why it's just as important to support small, independent, local business as much as you possibly can. They don't have the resources of the megacorps, they won't be advertised as well, they won't be organized as well, they won't have the same services, they won't have as many choices, they may be less convenient, and they almost certainly won't be as cheap, but they actually deserve our money. They do pay tax (usually small business owners end up paying the most total tax compared to any group when you count both corporate and personal taxes) and will generally put it back into both their own business and the economy in meaningful and practical ways. If you want your country to be a better place, if you want actual economic progress, support small businesses.

I like how it took the threat of annexation to mildly inconvenience yourselves.
- Inertia can hard to overcome!
  For myself the invasion threat challenged me to devote more of my free time to look into alternatives to things that I was just coasting on.
  Like using Lemmy, for example. You’ve been using this for years but I started just this month. I looked into it during one round of the failed boycotts of Reddit but there was no discussion ongoing in the topics I was interested in, and it sailed out my memory and off my priority list. Was it always the right call? Yes. But now the reasons are strong enough for me to overcome the inertia.
  Isn’t the important thing is that it’s happening now , and not that folks like me took longer?
  So yeah; I want to ditch Apple products. Right now there are no non-American products that can replace my phone but also provide all the functionality I use such as NFC payments. But I’m gonna do it anyhow when it comes time to replace my phone because it’s important to me. And if enough people do this that will trigger development of solutions for these problems, but even if they don’t I still am doing it anyhow.
  
  I would suggest setting a self goal to switching to Postmarket OS in 2 years time then donate every month to ensure the development goes as far as possible.

To the point of replacing Visa/Mastercard: it would be great if the EU could continue in line of SEPA and create an EU payment processor. Now, I want to be very clear, it should be owned by the member states' governments, and profit (if any) should go into the EU budget. No neoliberal bullshit of "oh we're going to put out a contract/give out loans for anyone to set up a payment processor and the market will decide". It should be a state owned payment processor, to finally stop the likes of Mastercard, Visa, etc. from leeching off every single consumer transaction in the economy.
- Is crypto the answer?
  
  No. It is never the answer.
  
  Crypto is often a scam.

You waited this long to get rid of Apple?
- I have had a used pixel running Ubuntu Touch for months that I’m using more and more of lately.
  
  I've just been looking into these other OS systems, I currently use Samsung devices and am torn between the US hardware and US software. Samsung isn't American which is great, but im stuck on full data collecting android, whereas pixels are US phones but the data collection , the most valuable aspect financially is removed even though its built on android.
  I just need Samsung to develop an OS, or even better yet, the return of Blackberry.
  Do you think Linux phones are ready to swapped in mainstream yet? My next phone will be a Linux phone for sure but my current phone is too new to replace so I'm still 2 years or so away.

Apple was the first to go on my list. Google secondish because I switched from iphone to graphene pixel
- How have you been getting on with graphene and how did the flashing process go for you?
  Edit: started looking in to it/supported devices- there aren't any Pixels with SD card slots? AAaaaarggghhhh- I really, REALLY like having a massive amount of music local on my device ><
  
  not OP either, but I've been using graphene for a bit over a week now. bought a second hand pixel 7 pro for about 300. literally followed a YouTube video for installation (there's a ton, and the install process hasn't changed at all over the years).
  now I use magic earth, get all my apps from the neostore or aurora (which is an anonymous app that allows you to interact with the back end of the google play app repository - allowing you to bypass their front end; therefore avoiding fingerprinting).
  its an absolute pleasure to know that apps are sandboxes and I sleep like a rock at night knowing that big tech ain't got shit on me.
  ..... except for the google pixel hardware....
  get it!
  
  @Reygle@lemmy.world
  Have a look at this and see if you like what you see.
  https://odysee.com/@NaomiBrockwell:4/Graphene-Install:e
  Good luck
  
  Not OP but flashing is super easy. You have a detailed description and everything happens from the browser. No terminal needed.

GrapheneOS is a good alternative to iOS/Android, although still Android-based
- Are there lots of reports with security applications not liking Graphene OS?
  I'd like to migrate, but i need to make sure my banks and job authenticator can work on it.
  I'd love to get a secondary phone for these, but then it still yas to be on an up-to-date phone so I can't simply use my old one.
  
  My bank app works. Westjet app for flights is very intrusive and needed the special per app compatibility mode turned on to allow app to work. It reduces GrapheneOS exploit prevention for that app, but for some reason Westjet needed more device identity confirmation than my bank app.
  
  Check if your banks work ok in a web browser, that's kinda my method for most things that really don't need an app
  
  All apps I need for banking, 2 factor authenticator, etc work in my GrapheneOS phone, with the exception of one particular app used for ID authentication in the country I reside. The reason is bc this app uses Google's Play Integrity API to check the phone's OS, and since it does not match with Google's Android OS, it stops working since it does not pass integrity checks. As far as I know, there are few apps that do this, and as time passes more apps are moving towards hardware-attestation tests, as GrapheneOS facilitates, instead of relying Google's Play Integrity. For me this is not an issue, because the government provides other means for ID authentication, but some other countries only relies on apps, and that might be a show stopper.
- Grapheneos requires a google phone, which is american.
  Iodeos is French
  
  It supports a few non Pixel phones, pixel had the high security capabilities thus the focus on Pixels

I don't know if I can give up FB again. I've deleted my account trice before but I've been unable to drive traffic to my yoga classes in any other way with much effectiveness. Even extensive postering lead to far fewer people coming relative to a few FB posts.
Reddit on the other hand has been useless and I've almost entirely given up on it.
- You can have 2 platforms running side by side. Have Friendica be your main focus and then post all the bare essentials such as the event dates on the Facebook page. I know convincing the folks in our life can be difficult but they will eventually come to realize that big tech isn't all that great.
  
  Their job is to convince people to sign up to yoga, not sell them on another social media platform where none of their friends or family are.
  You don't put all your marketing focus on the channel with the least reach
- Don't beat yourself over it if you're only using Facebook to take value from it.

What are you replacing google maps with? I've been getting more and more annoyed with it for a while.
It keeps wanting me to do U turns on ultra busy roads when I could just make a left turn at a light.
- The recommendations are:
  Organic Maps: walking/hiking/cycling.
  Magic Earth: driving.
  Osmand: advanced search.
- Here Wego: owned by Mercedes Benz and BMW, the maps that power their in-car navigation available as a free app.
- OSMand~ I prefer how the maps look. And directions have been good. Initial address search is not as slick as GMaps, but it is OpenSourceMaps so :)
- Organic maps for most usecases. Mapy.com is also alright

Back to flip phones? Or what alternative are you guys looking at?
Google and Apple are a bunch of bootlickers imo to the Trump administration.
- Fairphone with /e/OS
- I'm on a pixel with graphene but I guess if you go flip phone, garmin gps, and dedicated computer then you aren't missing out on much
- I really want to try a Furi FLX1.
- It’s Ubuntu Touch/Mobian/Sailfish/Postmarket OS/Graphene OS from here on out for me.

I picked Apple to be the one tech company that gets to stick around for now. I canceled my Apple One bundle but there’s still a dependency on maps and mobile OS. Will only buy used and when necessary going forward. My phone is 2.5 years old and I think I will be able to get at least another 2.5 years out of it.
- Apple isn’t as private as you think, they donated 1m to Trumps inauguration, the black representation is at 7% well below the 12.4% portion of the US demographics, their hardware is not very repairable, the manufacturer Foxconn that Apple uses has many cases of worker abuse, ios is very locked down.
  
  Not to specifically defend Apple, but the race demographic issue is slightly more complicated.
  The inequality is more systemic. Educational investment and economic inequality means that there's a difference in educational outcomes for the black population in the US.
  Basically, to have representation in line with the population Apple needs to make a deliberate effort to hire in that proportion. Having an unbiased hiring process falls back to the systemic bias that shifted the hiring pool. That 7% is basically the representation of black people in the hiring pool for high tech jobs in the US.
  There are still major issues with tech companies and diversity, such as not addressing the issues that created an environment that pushed people out of the sector, but that 5% difference represents a naively unbiased process, as opposed to a specifically biased one.
  
  Oh I know. I’m not a big fan. Struggling finding a google enough Apple/Google map alternative or a non iOS/Android alternative. Picked Apple as the better of the two evils but not giving them money anymore.
- "will only buy used and when necessary going forward"
  You didn't do that already?
  
  Nope, would get a new phone every 2ish years. Now I’ll just replace the battery and hopefully be able to hold on to a phone for 7-8 years.
- I cancelled my Apple 1 account as well, I guess I still have a lot of data on their cloud stuff as I got billed for the 50gb plan it was a little over $1 not happy about it but I need to figure out what is up with that.

The thing which really stops me from Google Maps alternatives is the lack of reviews. Very useful.
Plus, goddamn I wish they would modernize their UIs.
- There's an issue open for the Organic Maps project to implement Mangrove Reviews
- Yeah, that's a big one. Have you considered Here Wego? Its european and integrates TripAdvisor reviews (yes, US I know. Still better than feeding Google Imo). It doesn't have everything but for restaurants and POIs it usually has the info you need if you live in a bigger city.
  
  That’s what I use, works pretty good so far.
  
  Just took a look but the reviews for the app seem not great.
- OSMAnd is pretty good.
- Yup. It's tough. People don't understand it this way but Google Maps is actually a social network, in addition to the navigation features. It's an absolutely huge plus and I wish someone else would integrate the social features. It has given them the largest and most helpful worldwide POI database that exists, afaik.

Wow, such a weirdly violent way to look at simply uninstalling an app.
- On one hand, yes, but on the other hand I would consider those organisations quite violent themselves.
  
  Yeah, the important thing is to intellectualize it and pretend you're too evolved to get off on the imaginary violence.

The day my iPhone breakes is the day I am the grapheneOS user. Switched already the battery so might take another couple of years till the update support ends
- Isn’t GrapheneOS Pixel only? you’d still need to buy a Google device. Better to use something like Fairphone with /e/OS
  
  Second hand pixels exist and you’re not giving Google any more money
  
  Fairphones are expensive. :(

we need an AOSP fork like Forgejo is to Github. Accept good changes, maybe share patches, but keep a fork that ROM devs can build upon.

I long ago gave up on Twitter, prior to it becoming X. I was briefly on X but closed that account. Facebook I still have an account, but from what I understand it cost the Zuk more to have a barley active account then have a closed account, but it will probably be closed soon. Reddit is something I am trying to get rid of but it keeps sucking me back in, I have however removed myself from all the groups that are not Canadian centred. The only reason why I have a google account is for youtube, I got off of all the other services because of ads and all of that. I moved all of my subscriptions to things to Apple’s hide my email so I would get less junk mail. I also got a pihole setup on my LAN to see less ads so less google ad sense. I was never really a windows user so that is not a problem for me. I was fine with Apple Maps but now if I need a map I use open maps or whatever it is called. I have decided that I will not buy another apple thing, rather get things updated/repaired at shops local to me.
I have gone through my web services and cancelled everything that is not Canadian. I have moved my blog off of square space and onto Hosthero with a .ca address and I use it to create all my emails for things I may signup for. Unlimited emails so that I can signup for unlimited free trials to things, like I did with Apple’s hide my email!
Yes I agree ARM needs to be accepted a little more so Linux computers using it can be used as better (non Apple) desktops. Payment methods need to be developed even more in Canada outside of interact. I will have difficulties moving away from iOS because of FaceTime and messages.
- That’s great progress.
  Check out Organic Maps that uses openstreetmap data.
  Then check out the element client that uses the matrix protocol to have video calling and secure texting.
  
  I tried to move people to matrix, but it is hard.
- I'm sure the numbers are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, but it still brings me satisfaction to upload loads of long videos to Facebook, all set to Visibility: Just Me, just to cost them more in storage than they earned off me in ad revenue.

Hell, I'm in the US and this sounds like a great idea. Tired of being tracked and monetized for every single thing I do.

Windows is a hard change. I tried it before without success.
- Linux is so good now!
  Switched all my PC's except my sim racing rig becuase of all the accessories, but even that sounds like it should work just fine.
  Manjaro is great, PopOS or soon to be Bazzite for gaming, lots of choices!
  
  I personally wouldn't say Manjaro is great (for people converting to Linux for the first time) - mostly because of how annoying it is to install stuff on it.
- When did you try? I tried it a few months ago, expecting it to be hard but it really wasn't. I'm extremely impressed by how polished many Linux distros are nowadays (I'm using opensuse tumbleweed with KDE)
  
  I have used ubuntu in the past (long ago), and i tried Arch last year with KDE. Maybe it was a bit steeply, and i should try something easier. Maybe Ubuntu again or Mint, or Zorin or Fedora. Damn i must do a research.
- Same here, but 2 months ago I moved to Linux Mint and it's been a breeze. I'm committed to not going back to Windows. Not a gamer tho. But I was once a Microsoft employee.
- Windows became an unacceptable choice way back in the 90s.
  
  Lol my family had our first computer in 1999. With windows 98 and i put XP after. I was 11 years old then. I haven't heard anything about linux until 2005.
- Give Bazzite a try, it's a complete different approach from traditional Linux. Instead of trying to make it easier to tinker with, they're trying to make it so you won't ever need to. Bazzite is focused on being a Linux for gamers, but it's pretty good for regular use too. Other options without the game focus are Bluefin and Aurora.
  I've been using Linux for work for several years, but Bazzite was what finally made me go full Linux for everything just earlier this year.
  
  I will try give it a try. Although for gaming is hard for me to evade windows. I use steam, gog and epic. I know that with the proton the tables are turning, but there gonna be incompatibilities. But gonna check it before i migrate fully to Mint.
- I tried it before without success.
  Ditto. Took me three tries to give it up. But it finally stuck.
  Now I'm annoyed when I do have to use Windows, because Windows is not as nice, or as configureable, or as fast, or as ad-free, or as straightforward to use as Linux.
  
  I guess i must make some tries cause Microsoft is going the full shit mode again.
  New Windows 11 build makes mandatory Microsoft Account sign-in even more mandatory

You should replace apple with GrapheneOS, and icloud/G drive with preferrably self-hosted Nextcloud the only replacements for US payment processors (Visa, MasterCard, Amex etc.) are cash and Monero (on sites like shopinbit - EU based - moneromarket, XMRbazaar, monerica, kycnot.me, coincards) and cash/Monero-bought gift cards (coincards).
You can replace Intel/AMD with a RISC-V CPU (a well-funded open source CPU architecture, already available on Framework laptops, but still have a long way to go, so I'd recommend sticking with an AMD CPU since intel is known to be backdoored). You can buy (literally) anything using Monero using shopinbit (anything not listed can be sourced by them using their concierge service).

Does anyone know an app that has the same features of Google maps about the info of local stores/restaurants/bars etc?
- I use OpenStreetMap.org on the PC, it has info about shops.
  OSMand on the smartphone.
  And brouter.web for planning bike commutes.

Google maps is still tough for me. What do you use?
- I have switched to Organic Maps.
  
  Same. So far it's great.
  
  I was hoping that there would be a Wikipedia of maps, and it appears that Organic Maps is the closest thing we have to that.
- Organic maps. Its pretty good. And they aren't tracking your data
- Here WeGo
- ~~I also suggest Waze~~
  
  Google bought waze 20 years ago
  
  Waze is Israeli

Now back to kaspersky
/s

I can’t give them up for work tho 💀
- It can be hard to convince others to switch over to foss alternatives in that setting but as long you’re doing the right thing yourself that’s all that counts.
  Keep supporting the developers building better software and the businesses will eventually take heed to their work.

And it's still owned by Google for over a decade. Large companies have offices all over the place
- Doesn’t change the fact that my original statement is still accurate.
  
  Actually it does. When a company gets bought. It's no longer in existence. Trust me, I know I work for startups and it sucks sometimes but the exit money that would be part of the one point. Whatever billion that you get paid is pretty awesome

Eh, there are a lot of people here who don't use most or any of those services as it is. And there are far more "American Tech" products you all use out there that you're probably unaware of, and many things you think ARE American tech are actually Chinese or other country's tech, so I don't know why not just frame it as not giving money to tech companies broadly and just shutting off social media like you should anyway.
This framing leaves you open to just move your money from one branch of the same oligarchy to another while thinking you're making a difference.

Yeah now do steam next... I didn't think so
- Good Old Games is a great drm-free alternative as they’re polish 🇵🇱
  
  Ok. Do it. Delete your account... Send screenshots
- Well I got Factorio directly from the devs. Also been playing a few games from GoG but I do wish they better supported Linux.