34,000! Largest rally that Bernie or AOC have ever had
34,000! Largest rally that Bernie or AOC have ever had
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Democrats: Here's how Harris can still win!
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Progressives: Well, we all showed up at the same place at the same time. Did we win?
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...he'd've resoundingly trounced trump if the democratic party hadn't conspired against him in 2016, but if he won the executive the democratic party would have done everything in their power to make sure his administration was no more effectual than carter's...
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Problem with Dems - it's still the party of the rich.
They try their hardest to direct the energy towards various more cultural issues as opposed to working people rights.
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I fear for her safety. I hope she stays safe.
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I was at the rally! I was one of the last people let inside before they closed the gate, and thousands of people that didn't get inside watched and listened from outside of the fencing, so the actual number was more than 34,000.
Here's a photo I took...
And here's Bernie...
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thank you, I’ve managed to identify you now, dispatched ICE agents at your home
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.ml user, sending air strike en route.
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Form a new party!!! Don’t call it Labor or Labour. Don’t call it Green. Don’t call it progressive. Don’t call it socialist or liberal.
Just give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. “For The People”
Take on BOTH the democrats and GOP. Become popular overnight. Keep hammering home it is not about skin colour, race or country of origin, but about the billionaires that aren’t happy with paying no tax and having billions. Make it about the 99%.
It is the only way you’ll get your country back without excessive violence. The two status quo parties are hollowed out from the inside. And both are infiltrated by foreign interests.
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That's what Bernie is saying. He's calling all progressives to run as Independent, aka No Party Preference, down ballot so we can shove the Corporate DNC into the GOP where they so desperately want to be anyway.
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IIRC, he also called for the corpocentrists to get primaried.
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“People” = “Communist”
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Agreed.
Gotta take a page out of idiocracy here folks.
The Cowboy Party (Named after the most popular/recognizable NFL team)
Or, how about:
The Murica Party
Then you put Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson as your president. I’ve had debates about the feasibility of this approach and this is the modern Ronald Reagan play.
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The 99% Party. It's a slick way of calling it a worker's party without sounding like a communist party.
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The Bull Moose Party. It will call back to Teddy Roosevelt and the first time we used progressive policies to take back from the robber barons.
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The thing is, you can "not call it socialism" all you like. The fact is that it is socialism, you have to respect people's intelligence enough to know that they will figure that out (or be easily convinced of it, if you really need an argument that doesn't respect their intelligence). When this happens, and even moreso when you inevitably reveal yourself to be socialist, it will make you look deeply insincere and subversive, because you yourself will have fed into this taboo and not done the work of separating the term from its negative stigma or generating positive media for it.
Socialism is simply the fact of the matter and being socialist means caring about material reality enough to not just lie and gaslight as a means of convincing people. When you get attacked for being socialist, you will not be able to backpedal without sabotaging your own movement, because there will be a litany of evidence that you are socialist. As there should be, or you would not have the support of actual ideological socialists (remember that whole material reality thing I just mentioned).
The material reason why socialism is a "no-no" word is because when the right attacks it, the liberal establishment does what they always do; they backpedal. Not only does this make the right's criticism look reasonable, because it confirms there is real reason to fear being associated with socialism; but it ensures that the people only ever hear the arguments against socialism, never the arguments for it. All of the arguments which are intrinsically associated with socialism; which you have done all this work to propagate; are never connected to it optically, and the people never learn what it actually is, leaving all of your policy open to attack.
What you are suggesting here is not the solution but exactly the issue that has brought us to this point.
The only way that you will ever launder the term "socialism" is by openly advocating for socialism and calling it what it is when you do. You just aren't going to beat the establishment at their own game; rather, we must show the people what it is to be respected and hear policy based in material reality that will actually address their needs, and you will win support from across the spectrum.
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I disagree. And I don't mean to preach, but there is a power in words and using them (or not using them). The fight over the word and meaning of socialism is not what "the people" need right now, that can come later. This has been happening in the US closing in on a century. It's not those tolerant of material reality (as you say) you need to convince, it's those that would benefit from "the peoples" agenda that don't acknowledge material reality. Ride the wave of making billionaires pay.
Socialism is a scare word they have hurled at every advance the people have made in the last 20 years.
Socialism is what they called public power. Socialism is what they called social security.
Socialism is what they called farm price supports.
Socialism is what they called bank deposit insurance.
Socialism is what they called the growth of free and independent labor organizations.
Socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people.
When the Republican candidate inscribes the slogan "Down With Socialism" on the banner of his "great crusade," that is really not what he means at all.
What he really means is "Down with Progress--down with Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal," and "down with Harry Truman's fair Deal." That's all he means.
- Harry Truman
Don't swim against this right now. These programs from the new deal and fair deal are not even called socialist by American standards anymore.
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Buddy half of American voters voted for trump. We are well past “insulting their intelligence”. The reality is that the majority of American voters are stupid, lazy, or both.
Separately I don’t think you know what socialism is if you think progressive policies are socialist. Just because “social programs” and socialism share a common word doesn’t mean they are the same thing.
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Socialism? Americans would be happy to have health care, better workers‘ rights, affordable education. Just like most other advanced economies in Europe, Australia, South Korea, Japan, and so on. That’s not socialism, that’s capitalism with regulations and social programs. Nobody really wants socialism, which was as utter failure everywhere it was tried.
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Not very practical while the US voting system is still first-post-the-post. Y'all need to fix that first.
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there's also a good chance that fixing it will simply fuck us even harder.
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lets just suck off the people currently in charge until they give up the thing that keeps them in power, then. yeah. that will work.
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Now is the perfect time. Breaking with the Democrats mean they have to play ball now or get electorally buried.
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If the Dems don't want to win an election, they don't have to run a canidate.
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Unless it really works like it has the potential to. Then the repugs and dems would be totally cooked.
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Don't worry about getting it right 100% perfect in the planning phase, the important thing is to just get fucking moving. If either trying to shake up the democrats or forming a third party end up being wrong, then learn from it and keep moving. We can't afford to miss the launch window because we couldn't agree that the plan was perfect.
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The halloween party
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Off topic but I've been workshopping this idea to spoil conservatives in Red States where a candidate is anti-abortion and anti-immigration but completely socialist and accountability on every other issue. I think Hallowed Party might actually be perfect for it.
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yeah! keep running away and ceding terms to the billionaire media! surely if we come up with the right new magic word then everyone will understand and agree, and if fox starts demonizing "99-percenters" or whatever then we'll just, change the name again,,
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give it a name that people understand and don’t have preexisting bias against. “For The People”
I'm pretty sure that name (or similar) has been used in ways that... don't sit very well with people!
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The Freedom party
The Justice Party
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The Freedom party
I thought the Republicans were already the "freedom" party (even though they take all of your freedoms).
Also in the Netherlands the PVV ("party for freedom") is far right so I don't think that name reflects the right idea.
The Justice Party
Justice is pretty subjective and might not reflect the right idea either.
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I like Freedom Party, take that word back.
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The Individualist Party
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Check out the Working Families party. They're not in every state, but they're a start.
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Sadly
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Ones I like after going on a Thesaurus and US Declaration of Independence wiki hole. The ones further below are just ones I thought were okay as they came to me.
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People's Voice Party
American Party
Workers Party
Freedom Party
Citizens Party
Peoples Party
Revolutionary Party
Common Party
United Party
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Workers Party
Blue Collar Party
Trades Party
Skilled Party
Collar Party
Rust Party
American Party
Freedom Party
Citizen's Party
Liberty Party
People's Party
Civil Party
Center Party
Working Party
99 Party
99% Party
Luigi Party
Rights Party
Blue Party
United Party
Sovereign Party
Human Party
Marching Party
US Party
Founding Party
Founders Party
National Party
Revolutionary Party
Colonial Party
Fundamental Party
Common Sense Party
People's Choice Party
People's Voice Party
Laws of Nature Party
Nature Party
Equal Party
Pursuit of Happiness Party
Standing Party
Family Party
Native Party
Great Party
Fighting Party
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Party in the USA
Let's get this Party started
Party Animal
Birthday Party
The Party Party
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I think "Roosevelt Party" has potential. You can make two mascots for the ads, one being Theodore and the Franklin, each designed to appeal to the right or left among Americans. Theodore, for example, using guns to hunt down moose, advocating for national parks and peace with Canada.
Also, someone can commission an Epic Rap Battle between the two, who then dunk on Trump and Elon.
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I vote for Luigi party
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The "Do Something" party
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EverForward Party
Onward Together Party
Inspired Collaboration Party
Positive Frontier Party
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Workers Party
Blue Collar Party
Trades Party
Skilled Party
Collar Party
Rust Party
American Party
Freedom Party
Citizen's Party
Liberty Party
People's Party
Civil Party
Center Party
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Don't don't don't split the vote. Not even Trump was that stupid.
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It's already split. If Democratic party runs another centrist/neoliberal candidate it will continue to be split. There is no indication that they'll run anyone left of kamala.
Now's the time.
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Dems are managing to split the vote all on their own it seems
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Bernie is already third party, doofus. And if you want to fix anything you have to vote DNC.
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How many billionaires did they kill?
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Literally my first thought. All other avenues have been exhausted.
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seems a bit extreme to me, but knock yourself out i guess.
Come back to me in a week when you get someone.
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so when does the revolution start?
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America isn't going to have a revolution. Modern Americans couldn't revolution our way out of a Walmart. Best we might be able to do is a collapse, and we'll blame it on everybody in the world but ourselves.
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Slowly. Luigi was a good start.
If Americans want to revolt, they'll have to do it in the shadows.
Any common man can kill a rich person. No organized resistance is required, and any organized resistance is going to be infiltrated by the FBI and shut down before anything significant happens.
It would be neat if the heroes that kill our oppressors end up getting social media famous as they do it.
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when things actually start happening.
Until then, nobody cares.
If you've ever wondered why hitler got so far, this is why.
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when things actually start happening.
gestures broadly
Things like American citizens being deported to foreign prisons when they have not committed a crime?
Travellers with legal visas at the border being imprisoned and tortured instead of just turned away?
Private citizen data being stolen from government facilities while federal employees are illegally terminated from their jobs?
States being threatened with loss of funding until the King gets a personal apology up to his standards?What things are you waiting for?
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say the literal acts you want Americans to do or you're even more cowardly than we are. ICE can't disappear you if you're in europe, you don't need to mince words
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here you go:
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I can really see AOC as president. She's already at the minimum age, but I would like to see her take another 5-10 years to learn how to broaden her appeal.
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but I would like to see her take another 5-10 years to learn how to broaden her appeal.
This kind of "we're not ready yet" mindset is what lets republicans eat our lunch again and again.
"Broadening appeal" is also dumb as fuck when the candidates that do run routinely get ~30% of the vote. They already don't have "broad appeal."
Stop playing into the ruling classes handbooks by giving up before we even begin.
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It's also pretty funny to say that she needs to "broaden her appeal" when she's already drawing tens of thousands of people without even running a presidential campaign.
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she's spent her entire career broadening her appeal. She went from progressive, to progressive leaning dem, since she's been in office.
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The point is that she went from waitress to congress in 2 years - a giant achievement that at the same time gives her a "rookie" label. It's not unreasonable that it will take a few more years to become seasoned enough for the presidency in mainstream voters' minds.
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what do you mean? like get some felonies first?
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...just a little kiddie diddlin' so mossad's comfortable letting her on the inside track...
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I'm pretty excited by this AOC/Sanders team up. I'm sure neither are perfect, and will have ideas that I disagree with. But they both have a strong reputation for sticking up for ordinary people rather than the rich and powerful. And no reputation (that I'm aware of!) for bullying, blathering, giving in to the rich, sexual abuse, or miscellaneous awful behaviour.
And a team up between old and young is a powerful thing. Age brings wisdom, to spot things a young person might miss; and youth brings energy, understanding, and new ideas.
AOC for 2028? Judging by other comments, it seems unlikely. But AOC later? If they stay uncompromised, stick to the values that America wants without getting bogged down in things that divide the country, and gather support organically across the country rather than relying on traditional rich-people-funding, this could be an amazing victory!
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I agree she would be amazing, but Bernie won't be around long enough for that team-up. He's already a year older than Biden. The Dems need to cultivate a lot more younger politicians. They should have been going hard at this years ago.
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And no reputation (that I’m aware of!) for bullying
Ask Jill Stein about that.
AOC for 2028? Judging by other comments, it seems unlikely.
Well, right now it seems unlikely that Trump will ever leave the White House under any circumstances. I don't think you properly appreciate what's going on here. If even a centrist like AOC still makes you go "Hhhmmm, I'm not sure if she's ready yet...maybe another cycle or two...." while the country dives head-first into fascism, I don't know what's going to wake you up. Probably nothing.
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Bernie rolled over like a dog for Hillary in 2016, so he does have some marks in giving in to the rich. He himself is also rich, owning multiple million dollar plus homes.
Not trying to be anti-Bernie, he's great and pushing for great things. I was feeling the Bern back in 2016. But we should always go into things eyes open and as informed as we can be.
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and will have ideas that I disagree with.
I honestly think this is code for, "I like what they do, but I hope they don't raise my taxes."
Also, "There's no way they can have solutions that are better than mine!"
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Assuming there are real elections in 5-10 years
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As to her age, if she can learn to trust wise people around her, she can do much better than an old person with experience who only sees things their own way! For that reason it might be better to run soon if possible, to have the wisdom of Sanders with her. Hopefully there's other wise people she trusts to mentior/advise her as well.
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Her abilities aren't the issue, the public's perception is. I don't think enough people will accept that she's been on the scene long enough to be president.
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Go baby go!
It's working kids - despite the blackout from the mass media, people are taking to the streets:
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They need to organized this momentum into a proper party, maybe call it the labor party or the progress party. But most importantly they need to not be scared to use actural leftist rhetoric and appeal to class conscious workers.
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What about Working Families party?
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Tbh I dont really take them seriously
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Onward Together Party
EverForward Party
Inspired Collaboration Party
Positive Frontier Party
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Disagree. There are a huge number of republican working class that need representation, and who are not the enemy.
The anti-1% party is a much more viable proposition than going left vs right.
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Show me the conservative critique of billionaires. I know how that works on the left, but the right is about preserving power structures
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Anti-1% is left vs right
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The Democrats tried that, they tried appealing to the mythical "centrist conservative" and look where that got them, it has been proven to be a failing strategy. We dont need another "bipartisan" Democrat-like party, we need a workers party.
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Like Democrats, many Republicans are just voting for the "lesser evil" and aren't really loyal to their party. They just hate Democrats.
A new party sidesteps and allows those "lesser evil" Republican working class voters to jump ship. They will not ever vote for a Democrat, so stop being Democrats.
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Bernie is already third party
Why does nobody know anything about American Politics, including the Americans...
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The worst part is that Republicans unironically believe that these are all paid actors.
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How can I sign up for that job?
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Digging into who is actually paying them is a fun road to go down as well. They can't answer. When the democrats were in charge, they'd be paid for by the government!
Now that Trump is in charge, they can't say that anymore! So they'll move onto another scapegoat such as Bill Gates, or NASA (and ignore that NASA gets funds from the government).
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I don't think facts or lack of evidence has ever gotten in their way before. They will just say it's George Soros. Or they will point to fake craigslist posts which can be created by anyone.
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They can say George Soros or Bill Gates, pretty common namedrops on conservative media.
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"It was fauci and the chemtrails"
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Trump and gang is trying to have AOC charged for terrorism, so it seems to be working. She should either get DNC leadership now or finally form her own party.
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Yup. Ideally she takes over and redirects and repairs the burning husk that is the dems. It they don't give her leadership splintering with bernie would be a godsend
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Please don't let her form a new party. As much as people say they hate the 2-party system, fragmenting the Democratic Party would be a yuge mistake at this point. We need to let the Trumpublican Party eat itself when he keels over from dementia or his final Big Mac Attack. The MAGA opportunists who rode in on his coattails will tear each other to pieces as they claw for position like rats.
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The maga problem isn't just Trump. This is the culmination of decades of work by christo-fascist conservatives. They're not resting on their laurels and lining their pockets like a normal regressive administration. Every effort is being taken to solidify their power and deconstruct any threat that might rise up post-trump. Even if they did eat themselves there won't be a government to rebuild.
We're passing an inflection point in American politics. People want change and polls indicate they don't care what side it comes from. The Democratic party has never polled lower. Being the milquetoast neoliberal corporate party is objectively the worst anchor to tie around your neck.
AOC and Bernie's message isn't wildly popular on accident. That energy needs to be captured and amplified, Democratic party or not. What's the worst that happens from a split ticket? More people stay home?
Edit: you don't even have to run against them to capture the Democratic party. Just have headliner progressives threaten it with a broad show of support and you force them to open up the primaries. Their policies have no support, they have no chips to call the bluff.
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I haven't missed voting in a presidential election, and voting for Bill Clinton's second term was my first. If there are elections in 2028, the Democrats run Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsome, etc. and no other options besides for Republicans, Greens or Libertarians, 2024 will have been my last vote.
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The Democratic party's plans, laid bare: Do nothing and wait for everyone to notice how awesome they are.
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If Bernie was 20 or 30 years younger, AOC and him would smash the fucking Government of Putin.
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I'm educated enough in American politics to understand elusive news about Musk ans Trump but about not that Bernie guy. Is that a first or last name and what was the point of the rally? Also is a rally like a démonstration?
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It's a first name. He's a politician somewhere between PS and UDI on the spectrum, so for Americans he is an extreme radical leftist, for normal people a basically sensible centrist with some heart. Has a cult following for a long time, seems like a nice guy probably.
A rally is like a demonstration but with establishment politicians speaking.
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Bernie Sanders is a Senator for the state of Vermont. Be has run for president and went pretty far on a socialist platform. Far enough that when you refer to him by his first name while discussing politics, just about every American knows who you are talking about. If there is a truly left wing politician in American government, it's Bernie. And while it doesn't say a lot about the state of things, it does say quite a bit that so many people showed up to hear him speak.
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LOL socialist
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We gotta put all our energy into what they’re doing. They’re the rare few on the left that really understand what is going on and how to start fighting it.
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You're right, but consider how poisonous those names have been made to conservatives. Their ears automatically clamp shut.
Know the jacked up part? If conservatives listened to either one of those two, without knowing who they were, they would be all ears.
First time I heard Bernie was on NPR, had no idea who was talking, but I gathered it was a politician running for office. (This was him running against Hillary.)
"LOL, this guy is a joke. You can't actually answer questions honestly and in a straightforward manner. Holy shit! He just answered a question about Israel without mumbling around. Fucking love him, but whatever he's running for, he's going to lose."
Yeah.
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Some of MAGA actually likes Bernie though. A number of them would have voted for him and he would have almost certainly won.
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Hell yeah!
I'd kill to see a Bernie/AOC rally outside of Chicago.
I went ahead and donated to their campaign, but if you're in a similar boat, give this link a look:
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+1 for Chicago. I would make the time for it, as hard as that is now. We need this.
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If you have any wisdom, you will support them. Full left or nothing else will work.
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Lol they aren't even full left, at all. We've deluded ourselves into thinking common sense and not being bought by the billionaires and corporate lobbies is "full left"
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As far as I know, they are social-democrats, full-left would be anti-capitalist or anarchist, which they are not.
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Cool, now win an election
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DNC:
The best we can do is normalize Trumpism. Now, for what's important, how many more terms can we keep Schumer?
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Well, they are sitting members of the legislative branch.
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Don't threaten me with a good time, buddy
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Does she mean Democratic National Convention or Democratic National Committee the later being the common thing referred to as DNC?
The National Convention is almost five thousand delegates with a plus one or two. Its not exactly a rally its the body that confirms or votes for the party's Prez candidate. They have guest, speakers, other elected Democrats(who aren't delegates), and invite the Press.
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I took it as the convention. It's the other publicly visible gathering of folks.
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in AOC and Bernie I trust
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No. Don't make them into idols. Let them be good leaders, and let Americans do good worthy of trust.
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Of course, but inspirational and encouraging.
Truly hopeful
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If only this turn out had actually opposed trump at the polls
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God I really needed this. Finally some positivity against the insanity. Glad we are finding our backbone!
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Are you ready for a Miracle? Ready as I can be!
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fwiw this is what I've been saying since November. Just have Bernie and AOC tell us which way to jump. Then - we do that.
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No Joe Biden is the incumbent he is clearly the best candidate.
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That's a CRAZY number - and support is building!
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Start showing up.
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Yes keep it going we need people to show out
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That's like the population of a small town
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Honestly, I'm not impressed. This is in DENVER. Take it to a blood red district and show me the numbers. This is not where Dems need to spend their time.
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I agree and disagree. They need to pick up a bit of momentum, and "yes men" can help peer pressure the less dogmatic red-teamers to start thinking about their message. Then, once they hit those red states the no-men might show up a bit too and we start getting momentum through them as well
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Cool. So what policy changes did they enact? None? Then who gives a fuck?
Action, not words, AOC. Action, not words, Bernie. Fucking stfu and DO something.
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Getting their base energized and angry about the current situation is doing a lot more than introducing a bill that has a 0.00% chance of getting passed. The chances of them talking to the high ranking party officials and getting them to reverse course probably has the same chance of success.
It helps to use your brain to actually think about the outcomes of actions. On the off chance that I'm just being an asshole, please let me know what is a better use of their time.
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If another four years of Trump and the threat of project 2025 wasn’t enough to make these people do the bare minimum it would have taken to stop it, I honestly don’t see how a few empowered speeches will do more than jack-shit to motivate them.
I wish it were different, but we’re taking about a group of people who have a proven track record of stopping short of walking the walk.
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"introducing a bill that has a 0.00% chance of getting passed" is Bernie's function.
So he can look like the real leftist who is really trying.
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what have you been doing? besides typing on a keyboard at people
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Have you ever met this buddy of mine?
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That poor Bill, brought into the world because @MisterOwl thinks it's better to have a useless, irrelevant stack of paper then to start solidifying a base of people to act as the real opposition party.
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TBF Bernie has attended larger rallies, spoken at them for sure, although possibly not organized or been the central focus of one.
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Okay, 34,000 people gathered together for their cause, and then what? What did they actually do?
Did they use the opportunity to communicate and organise themselves, set concrete goals and choose the leaders of their movement that could execute on these goals with their support? Did they all leave with an understanding of what their next actionable steps towards their goals would be?
I look at this a bit like a work meeting in a way, you've gathered people together but if all they're accomplishing is hanging out patting each other on the back for agreeing with each other for a few hours then wrapping up, that's a pointless meeting.
They need to have a command structure, an organised plan, and a goal with concrete next steps to try to work towards it.
34,000 people took time off work, away from their families, etc, to travel there for something they're very passionate about, you'd think they'd use that time with their allies wisely and constructively, right?
Given that the media isn't on their side, just showing up in large numbers to mill about for a bit isn't going to make big waves, it'll be quietly reported on and immediately forgotten by those not already a part of their cause. Protesting just isn't going to cut it. Not until 34,000 becomes 3,400,000 anyway.
But it's still a great opportunity to build your new movement. Imagine if all those people had gone home knowing who is in charge, what the chain of command is (it's not like everyone can liaise with the movement's leader directly all the time, you need a structure to your movement/organisation), and imagine if they had a concrete plan of actionable things they can do before the next meetup (which should have been set by those leading at lower parts of the organisation - don't leave an important meeting without knowing when your next check-in will be).
Imagine what they could do if they really, actually organised for effective action, instead of just harmlessly protesting.
They have so much power, they've just never been taught how to wield it.
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This reminds me of the "Why aren't people protesting?" comments, ignoring that people...are.
The consistency of protests and town halls even in red districts has indicated to me that people are attuned and active, even if the news cannot (and in some cases refuses to) fully cover every square inch of their actions. As many have said, "The revolution will not be televised."
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it's like the tech industry developed an AI for self-driving goal posts
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👆 Room temperature IQ take.
This is the opposite of a headless mob with no goals. This is an explicit show of support for these politicians and their platform. The goal is to elevate the message both generally and within the Democratic party.
If nobody shows up to support it then the top brass can ignore them. The large crowds force the issue, it's a de facto primary on policy. Suppressing and ignoring the issue is a bad look. It only works if opposition doesn't reach a critical mass to tip the scales.
The exact same thing happened when Trump hijacked the Republican party. Opposition Republicans were faced with getting on board or losing on a split ticket, and suddenly every primary at every level was a MAGA-off
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afaik every person there bought a gun and joined the Soup And Rifles Collective on the way home. the entire state has declared open rebellion, the ICE facility (GEO group owned) in aurora has been broken open and the captives reunited with their families. throughout the streets Les Miserables is heard and the revolutionary council has elected a spokeswoman to bring their demands to Washington. all from one rally! i really think they could've done more but we'll see what next weekend holds
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The left makes fun of Trump for bragging about crowd size. Can we not do this please? I don't give a shit about the size of your rally; what are you going to actually do to take the country back from oligarchs?
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No, the making fun is when he pretends to have the largest crowd that has ever gathered.
No one says that crowd size is unimportant or without impact.
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I think the important difference is that they actually compared it to other crowd sizes that (may or may not, I haven't looked) actually were smaller, like "largest in Denver" and "larger than the DNC"
Versus just claiming something then have it be demonstrably false, "I have the biggest crowd in the history of the world" or something along those lines
The important part is the organization, and showing there are people that can/will do something, then we can figure out what to do next
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The DNC has been "figuring out what to do next" for decades.
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Can you not do this please? I don’t give a shit about what you think about the size of rallies; and are you really trying to apply arbitrary tolerance policies onto the very people who are attending rallies and showing their frustration about what’s happening?
How is it possible to be so fucking stupid?
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Keep in mind, Lemmy's big enough to have malicious actors on it.
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arbitrary tolerance policies onto the very people who are attending rallies and showing their frustration about what’s happening?
What? I think it's clear their frustration is with the progressive movement, headed by Bernie himself, celebrating the tour as the end all be all of resistance when quite frankly nothing of note is happening.
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Nothing, and they'll keep taking money from neolib oligarchs because they think they're on the same side. They're on their side.
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The left makes fun of Trump for bragging about crowd size.
Yeah that's when it's Republicans doing it; when it's a center-left rally it's a "demonstration of opposition" or "show of force".
what are you going to actually do to take the country back from oligarchs?
Nothing, the answer is nothing. Bernie is going to do nothing because for all the good he's done the progressive movement he's still Bernie; this is how he's always done things and he's not going to change now.
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