Hmmm.
Hmmm.
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Hitler specifically called the U.S. treatment of indigenous people an inspiration, and used it as his basis for treating Jews, gays, communists, intellectuals, and all the other victims of the Third Reich. tRump and his Fourth Reich is just coming full circle.
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Dachau didn't open until 3 months after Hitler took power. They are right on track.
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Thanks to modern technology we can watch the whole thing unfold in real time!
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fuck yeah, subcontracting out the concentration camps!
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It seems this new technology is not much benefit in stopping it? Observers are great, powerless and disorganized ones not so much.
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Too many people live in willful ignorance
You can see the obvious big picture and scream from the rooftops, but everyone who is comfortable enough and in denial that things are actually that bad straight up just ignore you
It's only now that people are starting to get their wakeup calls, like a lot of Europe, for example
But god, if it isn't super frustrating to watch the local news in my European country and have politicians repeatedly say "nobody thought we would be standing here talking about this 4 years ago"
I did, fuckers! I did!! The fascist threat was obvious ever since the first trump presidency, and the trends could clearly be seen from even before then, however, I was a child at that time
I don't get it. Especially because politicians are supposed to be the experts in trends like this. Is everyone just fucking clueless??
I swear most people are just so neoliberal ideology brained, and heavily struggle seeing anything outside of that. It's been a massive failure on the part of society that political philosophy has not been a bigger part of the education curriculum. Or part of it, at all.
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It's a European tradition to spectate torture and execution for entertainment.
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Reminder that before all this El Salvador was sweeping up anyone and I mean anyone they found on the street during their sweeps and throwing them in huge overcrowded cells to await mass trials without representation.
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even more damning that the populace has cheered for it; non of the human right abuses matter so long as it's not them.
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With tattoos
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Next week:
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You know what, it's fine. At least you'll be sitting in a lower ring of hell than me for laughing at this. 😌
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The picture on the left is from when the prison first opened, so won't show any of the deportees
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Oh hell. OTOH, I'd imagine we have no reason to think it's looking better these days.
Still, thanks for the correction, I took that as I found it.
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Ok, so I've never been a "meme" guy and think it's stupid we have to force everything into the "meme" format but seriously, this is not a meme. I don't think it should be removed but just sayin.
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A little reminder, apparently Salvadorians are loving Bukele for this.
I tried reminding them that, removing due-process is a can-of-worms that you rather not open
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there are people in other parts of latam that want that same shit in their own countries...
where there are marches asking where the people that were "disappeared" during the dictatorship went.
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well i guess they weren't against it, they were just really curious. like at a magic show!
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Remember kids, fascism only ends one way.
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Only one way, but there are many ways to approach that way. My favorite is the Italian method.
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My favorite way to approach them is the donkey punch method as well!
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You see, it isn't so bad, they can sit up!
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Those are send by Trump without any sort of trial. Nothing to do with El Salvador cracking down hard on gangs.
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I’m inclined to ask you to re-read your comment because I really can’t make sense of it.
The first paragraph doesn’t make much sense at all given how it is written. In the second you say “it saved the country,” and if you’re trying to say that forcefully deporting people out of America without reason or due process “saved the country” you’re 100% going to have cite a source, or at least give a reason for why you think that’s true.
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I get what he's saying, but he added like no context so everyone is confused (including him because he seems to not realize the OP is about Trump)
The president of El Salvador is famous for taking a "hard stance" on gangs, by basically doing the same thing Trump is doing. He rounded up thousands of suspected gang members and threw them into forced labor camps without any kind of due process. That's why Trump is sending these immigrants to El Salvador, because the president is a vicious dictator who doesn't care about human rights.
It has been a massive scandal for a while in LatAm news, but it's the same tired old strongman bullshit you see in many places in South/Central America (and now in the north too!). Effective propaganda and control over the military means the problem won't be solved without foreign intervention and/or a spontaneous combustion event involving government leaders.
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Some of you may die, which is a sacrifice, I'm willing to make.
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Are you defending the pic on the left or the right? Or both?
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i think you make some nuanced points.
fixing things is messy and sometimes, even your enemies can deliver improvements. i'm not so mired in politics i can't see objectively. i still think the administration should be toppled by any means necessary if we want to truly save america from eternal dystopia.
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Yeah no viva Bukele
People saying "if you arrest all those gang members economy will collapse because even though they get their money from illicit activities they still spend it back into the economy"
Nayib Bukele "dude are you fucking stupid?" they arrested the violent criminals and the ones that organized themselves in violence promoting bands... and they GDP went up by like 5% I believe? mainly because honest working people didn't have to struggle against the villain.
Nah those pieces of shit are there for a reason, society and tolerance are a social contract... you respect it and you fall under it, you don't then you feck off.
ARRIBA BUKELE!!
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Did you catch the words "without proof", and "without due process" in the OP? It would appear that these people pictured are innocent.
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"Accused of being gang members" lmao let's be clear here 90% of these dudes literally have gang tattoos 🙈
Also you can cover tattoos at any time, it's not that hard.
I've been in the tattoo scene since the 90s and have a full body of tattoos myself and everybody knows that a gang tattoo is a point if no return and basically the dumbest thing you can do. If you went there then I have zero sympathy for you.
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Even if they are gang members they still should have due process and a trial. This is one of the foundations of our legal system. Where does that leave us if we just leave it to law enforcement to throw anyone in prison without any oversight? That’s straight up authoritarianism you’re arguing for.
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Can you point out the criminal statue against certain tattoos? After that would you mind showing me where they were convicted for those tattoos. Then I'd appreciate a link to the federal sentencing guidelines on tattoo-related offenses that suggest forced labor camps overseas.
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But they're innocent until there's proof of guilt. Sending people to forced labour encampments because of their tattoos is just a different nazi move.
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"innocent until proven to have tattoos"
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Even if 99% of them are actually gang member, then there is still a bunch of innocent people locked up. Using the word 'accused' or 'suspected' isn't meant to cause doubt, it's to make clear they haven't been convicted. I really wouldn't want to be falsely accused and treated as these men are, and it's really awful knowing some of them could be there without having done anything wrong.
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Honestly, when I was a kid, one of my classmates dressed up like that and I'm pretty sure he would tag around the school. The kid was a trouble maker. But that doesn't mean much when I realized that he was homeless and his mom would still clean him up and send him to school.
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"Accused without proof" excuse me what they literally have the gang signs tattoo'd on their skin. Are we gonna pretend that people get tattoos of criminal gangs but are actually not part of it?
Jesus christ el salvador was one oft the deadliest countries in the world. People were going to work in the morning and there was a big chance of not getting home alive. The population celebrates bukele, as the country plunged from like 40 homicides per 100.000 people in 2019 to 1.9 per 100.000 people.
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How do we know they all have tattoos? There was no trial and we only have the worthless word of an administration that lies constantly. Why are you so trusting of a proven liar?
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It's because he's racist. We have to stop assuming that people are talking in good faith. If somebody says something like that you know they suck and you don't have to give them the benefit of them doubt. Some people are just bad people and it's their fault for being bad
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Oh, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that everyone deported from the US is a gang member. That wasn't my intent, and if that is what you understood, I wasn't clear enough, sorry. I have very little doubt that trump was infact abusing this situation.
My argumentation is solely in favor of bukele who's trying to knock down the criminal gangs that have been effectively ruling el salvador for years. Many people have complained about bukele being an "evil dictator" and shit like that and I'm just kinda fed up with that stupid narrative.
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Tattoo of a gang sign or a rose with their family members' names on it. Either or.
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Yes, if you go on with that drastic measures, you are bound to hit innocent people aswell - just as ukraine is bound to kill innocent civilians by bombing russian infrastructure, despite all their attempts to mitigate those.
I don't think you guys understand the severity of the situation that has been cooking down there.
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Having been in a gang ≠ in a gang. Lots of people wear school runs that are long long out of school, provide evidence of an actual crime instead like our constitution and bill of rights demand you fucking authoritarian simp.
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Having been in a gang ≠ in a gang
Shows how little you know about el salvador. People who have gang tattoos are either in a gang or dead. A criminal gang is not a club you can leave whenever you feel like it. Hell, even here in the west, people who try to leave the banditos or the hells angel often end up dead, and you think in el salvador, the (at that point) most murderous country in the world, they can just quit?
provide evidence of an actual crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador
The thing is, I'm as libertarian as you can get in the west. However, unlike most of you drones, I do recognize that at some point, being a civilized human stops working. Do you really think you can "reason" with criminal gangs that have been controlling your country for over a decade? Are you also one of those clowns that keep crying "No no no do not send ukraine weapons, you just have to TALK with putin!!!!!111 :((((((((("?
Is the situation down there good? Absolutely not. Are a lot of innocent people being caught in the crossfire? Absolutely.
I'm not in favor of that at all, but I do recognize it's the only way. Just like an infection that has progressed too long untreated, the only option is amputation of the affected limb. And el salvador had previous governments fail on every possible level.
And the people of el salvador probably are happy they can leave their houses again without being shot. Bukele has incredibly high approval ratings, often above 90%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_the_Nayib_Bukele_presidency
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Your God king even backed off that claim dumb guy.
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You would be a Linux user too lol. Too on the nose.
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Let's see what they look like 2 years in. The Buchenwald picture was taken at liberation.
Edit - also as someone else pointed out, although the picture is from the El Salvador camp, it is NOT a picture of the same group of people discussed in the article. I did not know that when I posted.
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So which parts of the picture are true?
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