Doordash caught stealing money from employees

Correction: pay back a small percentage of what you stole
- very small

This whole tipping culture is reaaaallly hard trying to land here northern EU and I absolutely hate it, I refuse to tip anyone. Employers, pay your employees a living wage, it shouldnt be up to customers generosity. You cant? Then sounds like you should charge more of your customers, downsize your business until you can… or go out of business, since sounds like your profitable business is not actually profitable.
- What really annoys me is the American servers coming at the patrons: "if you can't afford to tip, you shouldn't eat out!"
  I would hate for that attitude to spread to the northern EU as well.
  
  Cool, bet. Now we don’t eat out and they don’t have jobs.
- Of course there's always the option of begging the government to bail you out, and then they do for some bizarre reason.
  We live in a capitalist society for individuals and socialist society for corporations, which feels the wrong way round.

The funny thing is, when I first started working retail, we were encouraged to just say, "Oh, did you forget to complete your purchase?" We weren't allowed to go straight to accusing someone of stealing. That gave them the opportunity to either pay for the items or leave them behind.

NZ parliament recently passed an act clarifying that wage theft is theft and that individuals may be criminally liable if they commit it: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/member/2023/0245/4.0/whole.html
- What's it like, having laws? Are they enforced?
  
  We have a lot of nice labour protections (esp compared to the US, yikes) but ofc this means business goes around them (and current parties are discussing rolling them back to 'support small businesses' from having to do that).
  It's really hard to fire a worker under contract unless they straight up abandon their job or violate their contract. If youre bad at your job, but not dangerous, its so hard to fire you (and taking you off shifts, ie: constructive dismissal, is also prohibited) that you'll basically be sticking around anyway.
  But that means that employers just hire part-timers to work juuuuust under the requirements, or have them on the 90-day probationary period and oop sorry, I don't think it's a great fit. The results is that job stability is pretty good if you can actually fucking get one, but most younger Kiwis are stuck in casual work or move overseas.

We have a legal system that protects the rich and punishes the poor. Luigi gave us a taste of what the opposite could look like.
- Should I DM the mod of this community and double check if it's okay for me to upvote? Oh silly me... this is lemmy. Of course it's okay to upvote this fact of life!
  
  I'm assuming this is a reference to something that I'm going to say Reddit has done?

Wage theft is bigger than all other theft, but far fewer people are dragged onto the sidewalk and strangled to death for it. Maybe that should change.
- Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure during the last days. Listen! The wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have nourished your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous one, who does not resist you.
  James 5:1-6
  
  Dayum! New favorite bible passage for being obnoxious towards hypocrites with just dropped!
  And by "just" I mean "a thousand years ago", or whenever that part of their book was written 🤷
- "When the truth walks away, everybody stays 'cuz the truth about the world is that crime does pay. So if you walk away, who is gonna stay? 'Cuz I like to think the world is a better place."
  
  To add to your punk rock reference :)
  The power is in the hands of the few
  \ There are too many homeless too many starving
  \ They don't care they don't listen
  \ Their profit is more important than our pain
  \ Than our oppression than our human rights
  \ Sure take from the rich and give to the poor
  \ But when will the greed stop when will the human rights
  \ Be of some importance
  \ They can have their money and their system
  \ We can't have freedom with restrictions
  \ We can't have freedom and equity with an entire
  \ System based on competition
  Defiance - Hands of the Few, 1995. This shit ain’t new.
  
  Underrated Offspring jam! I feel like Offspring get written off as pop-punk but are generally underrated as political artists.

"Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility" Ambrose Bierce

Few things.
Corporations are not people. Laws need to change and loopholes need to be closed.
The rich need to pay their way. Laws need to change and loopholes need to be closed.
- Companies are people
  
  Lmao that’s sickening
- The question is how are we gonna go about that.
  
  🐷✂🗑 I had to get creative, my keyboard doesn't have an guillotine emoji
  
  All I can tell you is it has to get a lot worse before it gets better. I don't see change coming without bloodshed because those in power and their enablers don't want either of those things to happen.
  
  We start by closing loopholes and making the rich pay their way.
  And if they don't? Guillotines, baby!

Doordash corporation is nothing but a theiving evil company run by thriving evil immoral scumbags.

I'm sure this global company only did it in NY for some reason though, better not look into this globally. Wouldn't want to do that now!
- Maybe only NY had the foresight to make this practice illegal?
- This is why, regardless of who delivers food the few times I order out, I always tip in cash (don't have to claim it, company can't steal it.)
  
  Despite living in a country where cash is practically non-existent (Netherlands), this is my reason for keeping a cash-jar.
  
  US workers do have to claim tips though. Whether they do or not, and how enforceable that is, is a different story.

I wonder if you could create an argument for this blatant disparity and how punishments are meted out to show how penalties for shoplifting and personal theft crimes are cruel and unusual. If stealing 17 million comes with less penalty than stealing 1700 then the penalties for 1700 are therefore unusual right?
- Or the 17 million punishment is unusual...
  
  Serial killers have to serve time added up from each individual murder. Corporate scumbags stealing from millions of people should be sentenced to prison for millions of years.
- I suppose step 1 in that line of thinking is ending prison slavery and the systemic violence prisoners and guards inflict on the incarcerated.
  Not that we can't do two things at once...
- This is very likely to be the future of AI law once AI is good enough.

They steal from everyone. My wife was stuck in a hotel with no room service about a year ago and didn't feel up to walking for food. She found that she could get a free year doodash subscription through her Amazon Prime. She joined, got her food and promptly cancelled the subscription. We've just been through the joy of getting a refund for two months of doordash that hit our credit card.

$17m sounds low.
- Lawyers are gonna get a huge chunk of that too. An already too low number gets diluted until it's a joke. I'd be surprised if any individual driver gets more than$100. Fucking joke.
  I'd like to point out these people would be out of business tomorrow if we quit giving them our business.
- They only have to go up to minimum wage.

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise

I mean, that's basically how the entire hospitality industry operates at this point.
- The early history behind tipping was basically to not pay black people and keep some simulacrum of slavery. Black people were historically pretty predominant in the hospitality industry - a good way to pay them shit, and make them dependent on the generosity of white people.
  
  Wow, I did not know that.

"If it's done out of greed, they let you do it"

Also I believe I found the related source: https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2025/attorney-general-james-secures-1675-million-doordash-cheating-delivery-workers
I didn't see anything on a quick read about how they came up with these numbers, or if there are any more serious penalties. Seems like a pretty light penalty.

Dash that money

Good for them. And you're not employees. It's gig work. If you're living off dashing you're the loser.
- Hello bootlicker, you don't get any prizes for sucking the parasite corporations dick. Did you know that?
- You're a fucking idiot.
- "a company is literally stealing from you and breaking the law? You are a sucker"
  I really really hope hope you get to sit on the other side of the fence, just so you can reconsider.

Parasites
Deny them engagement and profit... Food delivery is peak luxury service but yet the normie keeps wasting money on it while crying about being poor lol
- Like many convenience services, it's important that it exists because some people genuinely can't walk or can't walk all the time, can't chop their own fruit and veg, etc. Or genuinely don't have enough time in the day to cook or pick something up. But people will still use these things for simple luxury reasons.
  
  Those are fringe use cases. Majority of it is conspicuous consumption.
  Also, grocery stores sell prepared foods and there other options for these people. Why are they choosing most expensive one?
- or, when they start using drones, start stealing the drones. and also maybe the food.