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Trump's quest to conquer Canada is confusing everyone

www.nbcnews.com Trump's quest to conquer Canada is confusing everyone

Canadians and Republicans alike are confounded as President Donald Trump increasingly links a trade war to his push to annex America's northern neighbor.

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Donald Trump's push to annex Canada as the 51st U.S. state is confusing due to its sudden and unexplained emergence.

Initially praising Canada as an ally, Trump now aggressively seeks annexation, imposing tariffs, criticizing trade deficits, and challenging established borders and treaties.

Former officials and congressional Republicans express bewilderment, stating they have "no clue" about Trump's motivation.

Canadian leaders and the U.S. business community strongly oppose the move, citing sovereignty and economic harm.

Republicans also question Trump's strategy, noting annexation would add millions of liberal-leaning voters and complicate American politics.

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Trump's quest to conquer Canada is confusing everyone

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So is the poster in the illustrative photo

- Exactly. Makes Putin look less bad for annexing Ukraine

The Canadians are our homies, why would orange want to hurt our homie? They've been with us thru thick and thin, and now orange wants to fuck things up for us? Don't think we want this either dear Canadians, those ball guzzlers just regurgitate whatever orange says. Even if it hurts us, by Canadian goods only until orange leaves office, if not sooner because homies should only kiss, not attack.

This is his (stupid and selfdefeating) way to tackle four problems:
US industry, especially those close to him, needs rare earth minerals. Canada and especially Greenland might provide those.
Climate change will render large parts of the US uninhabitable in a few decades time. The US therefore needs Lebensraum. Now that’s a word he and his right-arm-raising friends love.
Combining 2 and 1, the Arctic is melting. Exposing all sorts of new mineable goodies, and opening up new waterways. That will provide new economic opportunities as well as create new military threats. Owning Canada and Greenland would go a long way towards mitigating that.
Trump sees a future in which a few large power blocks control the world. Currently, the US is one of the smallest of those: only 350 million where China and India are over 1 billion each, Europe is more than 500 million, etc. So the US needs to expand and grow its population size.
- He's much too stupid for any of this, so I assume we're talking about the architects of project 2025 and/or putin?
  
  100%. T rump is just a tool that they put in place to do their bidding and to be a fall guy when the people finally get off their asses.
- Expand and grown population size by deportig?
- Could find some lebensraum in Russia instead?

It’s not confusing - they know climate change is real and they want more northern territories for when the shit hits the fan so they have somewhere to go
Can’t stop big oil though because you can’t run a military on batteries yet and besides, muh Raytheon stock

Republicans also question Trump's strategy, noting annexation would add millions of liberal-leaning voters and complicate American politics.
You mean millions of insurgents literally trying to murder every Republican politician and burn America to the ground. Not sure why their voting habits would be relevant in the face of that.
I think a lot of Americans are completely unaware of just how fucking furious we are at this flippant talk of destroying our country and subjugating our people. Even a lot of the ones who are unsympathetic to Trump don't understand just what this kind of talk means to us.

You don't try to understand insanity, you treat it.
- Don't you have to understand it somewhat to treat it?
  
  That depends on the method of treatment.

I mean it really isn't confusing if you look at it through the lens of Putin told his lackey to fuck up everything he could concentrating on wrecking our strongest trading and defense relationships.
Seen through that lens it's very clear what the agenda is: Weaken the US and its allies.

The cost both monetarily and in manpower to invade Canada would be astronomical
- Don't forget the cost on the souls of the American people for the betrayal.

It's not really confusing. His whole strategy, as we saw during his first term, is to do and say so much outrageous stuff that no particular scandal can stick with him. He also thinks being a bully is being a good businessman.
I doubt he would actually want to annex anywhere, but it's easy ragebait that he can keep bringing up to keep news on that and off of his crimes.
- Bull pucks. The man isn’t playing 4-D chess with the News, he’s not even do a deliberate Gish-Gallop. He’s just saying the first thing that pops in to his head. And right now that’s I want to go down in history as the greatest president ever. He thinks if he expands the US he’ll be bigger then Jefferson.
- I don't agree. I think he will really do it. Spewing out everything at once is benefitting him/project 2025 but it would be a mistake to think it's just talk at this point. That's why Canadian politicians are being so strong on this. It's really happening.
- Agreed. The outlandish stuff is actually a little bit safer. Actually dangerous geopolitical stuff that might kick off something he can't control, because it might realistically happen, he avoids like the plague unless it carries some kind of strong benefit to him personally. He just likes to talk shit because it's fun. I don't think it is any more complicated than that.
  I suspect that this is why Musk was brought in. Musk is actually willing to take an axe to the main pillars of the building, in a lot more energetic and systematized fashion than Trump would be inclined to.

"Canada only works as a state," Trump said Thursday. "We don’t need anything they have. As a state, it would be one of the great states anywhere. This would be the most incredible country, visually. If you look at a map, they drew an artificial line right through it, between Canada and the U.S. Just a straight, artificial line. Somebody did it a long time ago, many many decades ago. Makes no sense. It’s so perfect as a great and cherished state."
They're all "artificial" lines Donald
- Trump sees the world through the lens of autarky. It's like the man fell out of the 18th century. He thinks nations are these self-sufficient organisms living on the planet, competing for resources, etc. He thinks trade means dependency and weakness, rather than mutual benefit and specialization. The man has never had to share anything with anyone in his entire life; it's not surprising he would have such a warped world view.
  That is what he means by "Canada only works as a (US) state." The US really could make a decent play at autarky. The US gets about 30% of its GDP from trade; Canada gets 70%. It's foolish to try to do it overnight. But if the US wanted to make an attempt at autarky, and made the transition over decades? The US could pull that off. It would mean being poorer than we would be otherwise. We would have to accept more expensive and lower quality goods, but we could do it. The US has a large enough land area, population, and resource base that it could, on its own, maintain an industrial society completely from domestic resources.
  Canada? It would have a much, much harder time at autarky. If both the US and Canada forever closed all their international borders tomorrow, Canada would end up a lot worse off than the US. Canada, as an island nation unto itself, would have a really hard time surviving.
  Of course, there's no damn reason that nations need to survive by autarky. They're not independent islands. And we all grow richer by specialization and trade. But that fundamentally is not how Trump sees the world.
- It’s so perfect as a great and cherished state.
  Wrong word, Donald. You mean "coveted." You don't cherish Canada, you covet it.
- Yet the line south of Texas is inviolable, sacred, a proud bulwark...
- "We don’t need anything they have [...]"
  I say again, "okay, Dougie, blink the lights a bit."
  Shut down 4 red states for the weekend and see how it goes.
- Each province should be a state! We will be come blue as a country and can have Medicare for all and high speed rail.

It's not confusing, he's a megalomaniac who thinks foreign policy should resemble a game of Risk. Outside a tight circle of influence, everyone else is disposable meat that annoys him and deserves whatever punishment they receive. It's not new behavior.
- How tight is that circle? Mr Trump seemed to abandon Mr Giuliani at a crucial time, and I thought the two were thick as thieves.
  
  Giuliani was a useful idiot with a law degree and a certain amount of 9/11 good will. Better idiots with fewer ethical standards and law degrees are throwing themselves at him, and he doesn't need to pretend to give a fuck about American lives or first responders now that he's in power. Like everyone else who rode the 9/11 wave and thought it was amazing for poll numbers and easy fundraising.

It might be confusing dumb muricans, but its pissing canadians off

Why believe Congressional Republicans at their word when they say they don't support this talk or don't know where it is coming from? They're collaborator filth. They will "suddenly" fall in line when something actionable is put forth.
- They could show their disapproval by impeaching Trump. They would never though.

Republicans: I vigorously maintain that dementia is, in fact, pretty fucking cool.

Climate change will make the southern 2/3 of the USA unlivable within a few decades. Canada has a lot of land. Trump’s teamwants it and the resources within.

25th Amendment anyone?
- 25 Trump, then 25 Vance.
  
  Then Johnson after.

Millions of voters full of hate towards one party

If you are confused by any of this, you have turds for brains.
He is a dementia-riddled adult psychopath, and will do anything he wants to destroy this country and everything we stand for because he’s mad that 1000% of people don’t let him and his insane, monstrous plans.
Either do everything you can to resistance stop him, or just lay down and let it happen. There is no in between.
Endless you actively and openly resist Trump, you are an absolute fucking Nazi, just like he is. Four, without your active and strong resistance, you might as well just be ready for every horrible thing he does.
Shame on you for thinking there is anything in between the freedom of the people and Trump‘s Nazi thinking that there could be compromise puts you on the same historical ridiculousness as Neville Chamberlain, and the results will be no less than the same, and very likely far worse because you did not stand up and resistant
I hope your milk toast, appeasement and make you happy to the bread. Everyone else left living on earth will hate you forever.
Remember that
- Hate to be that guy, but it’s “milquetoast.”
  Edit: banned, troll.

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