Welp.

Yeah brain drain isn't as cool when it happens here, is it?

This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.
But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.
- I'm sure they're not.
  I'm also pretty sure that they're working a lot better now than they were before...

This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there
Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.
- well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
  the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….
  i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?
  
  It's kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It's depressing but it worked lol.
  
  I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.
- The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like... I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I'm ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

I too enjoy the freedom to think my thoughts!

And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.
- It has already been happening for several years now, it's just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a "negative brain drain" of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.
  But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.
  The brain drain is here, and won't be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.
  
  Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Lack of food regulation would also be a concern. And now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.
- It's already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We're already losing.
  
  All numbers I’ve seen for record applications were for high level research and university level teaching. Maybe the medical doctors mainly moved states? At least I haven’t seen them making headlines about moving to Europe.

We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!
ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.
- Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)
  PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!
- How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America ... which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in "progressive" cities.

My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.
She's fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We're starting to look into options though.
- College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it's for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :) Spain is so lovely. I hope I can land something there next.
  
  Very true. If she's up for the challenge I really want her to do that. I'd love more reasons to go to Spain.
  
  Ugh, Spain is amazing. I dream of that country.
- Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is
  
  The technical terms are very similar. The only issue would be the colloquial terms.

It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.
- Yeah, I good with the message, but that's one of the most uncomfortable looking photos I've seen. Where are they supposed to be looking?

Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!
- I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it's threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped. Which will also influence the rest of the west and Americans to hit the "kill all Muslims" button as hard as they can.
  Starting with "Hamas/Palestine/Antisemitism" as the justification.
  
  I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go "oh shit", and try to avoid it
  
  I would say that the politically widespread "unwavering support" for a nation very overtly because of their dominant ethnicity, including whilst they're commiting a Genocide along ethnic lines themselves (the kind of thing one would naivelly expect Germans to be especially disgusted at), proved beyond any doubt that Racism in Germany is alive & well all across the political spectrum, from the supposed "left" of the Greens all the way to the far-right.
  (AfD really is just the same mindset with the addition of "If it's good to unwaveringly support them no matter what they do, then it's also good for us")
  Sadly whilst the symbols were forbidden, the way of thinking about other human beings (of seeing people as members of ethnicities and judging and treating them differently depending on ethnicity) that was the foundation for Nazism never actually died in Germany, they just changed who the ubermenschen and untermenschen are and don't actually say those words out loud.

Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify that their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values

Actual free market at work, as opposed to the shit we have in the U.S.

I wouldn't mind moving to canada since I'm really close to the border anyway. it would be like nothing happened almost

Yes move to Europe with stagnant economies and 60% tax rates. There are evident reasons why the EU isnt competitive, it's not a secret.
- https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Countries-Regions/International-Statistics/Data-Topic/Economy-Finance/GDP_per_capita.html
  I'd say we do pretty well and STILL have affordable healthcare. But I'm sure potholes and a few extra billionaires are worth the tradeoff.
- America is a shithole that treats their workers like shit overall. I would love to be able to move to Europe.
  
  There is great opportunity in America. People all over the world still want to come here for a chance to compete. Bow down before the great Eagle, cawcaw!! Sure we have our problems but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. The border to leave stays open btw.
- I live better and more cheaply here than I did in the US, to each their own.
- And long ass vacations. I’m in.
  
  Long ass vacays is true, I'll give you that one.

Wouldn't that be wonderful, so see the greatest brain-drain in human history. Couldn't happen to nicer people.

Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn't want people to leave?
- Of course he doesn't want people to leave, how can he be king if all his serfs leave?

Their schools were already orders of magnitude cheaper. Get ready for extreme brain drain!
- Completely free. Kind of. It's like less than €200 a year to study at a university in Finland.
  
  This is true only for students from the EU/ETA area: for students from outside it is a minimum of 1500€/year to study in a school of higher education.
- I'm hoping to get into a pretty well regarded game dev school in Sweden that is $25k USD for the entire degree. Comparing it with anything similar in the US is mind boggling. Schools here are impossibly expensive
  
  That's still pricey imo
  
  Future games, innit? The one the ceo of the company that made It Takes Two finished?
  It's mind boggling to me that this school exists. I mean they have the achievements of the alumni to schow, so good for them.
  But still it's a paid school for game dev, famous for crunch, and worse salary than "normal" dev. So not only will you work more, and earn less, you also have to pay for your studies, since standard CS is free.
- Haven't European schools been cheaper since like the 80s tho?
  
  Yep

Living somewhere else is quite tempting in a grass is greener way, but it feels like moving out of my house because of pests. What I'd really rather do is eradicate the pests and get my home back. Even if I move, how long until I have to suffer new pests? Meanwhile the more sane of the two completely out of touch parties that comprise my government are like my housemate, and they keep leaving food wrappers and shit all over the place and they refuse to call an exterminator because it would be "cruel". But these no-kill traps ain't doing shit. Figuratively speaking, of course.
- Sometimes you gotta move out and leave your roommate alone in the mess, for them to hopefully realize that they are the problem
- I couldn't have said it better myself, I will definitely steal that analogy. Moving to another country is such an extreme step, because it means giving up everything I have here and adjusting to new people, new culture, new language, new everything. I'd rather my home stay pest-free.
  
  Of course we'd rather it stays pest free. For if you have black mold, would you stay there and have health consequences for rest of your life, your children and all. Or would you just think I'll abandon this, it's gonna cost a lot to give up the furniture and everything that you have build up over the years but it's not important than your life. Specifically as a non-white person where even your residence status isn't protecting you anymore.
  And this current thing isn't the problem it's a symptom of a problem so deep, I don't really see us getting back to normal anytime soon. We might mitigate it, or maybe it'll get so bad people will realize the actual problems and work towards solving it. I just don't have energy to be that optimistic. I really wish people would be more empathetic, think about the community and be altruistic enough to address the bigger problem. But I don't see that happening.

Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.
Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.
- It's like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey's paw
  The US wants better European militaries in case we can't help or share, not because we want to flat out refuse to help or share
  
  The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share
  Instructions unclear, got weapons to defend against the US instead...
  Suddenly nobody wants an F-35 anymore.

They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.
- I've spoken to some Fins and it's being that close to another human being causing that.
  /S but only slightly
  
  They sound like my kind of people. Time to look into graduate school in Finland
  
  As a Finn I can confirm this.
- I'm from Finland. It's late winter now. It's not Smiling Season yet.
- No no the guy is making a face like "I came here to fart don't follow me" and she's all "I came here to smell it"
- Yeah, but it'll be a random family member - not necessarily a woman or LGBTQ+.
- I guess they're just not actors
- It's AI generated, isn't it?
  
  Kinda small on my phone but I don't think so. Most ai stuff looks more air brushed and the light is usually weird. This has skin imperfections and clothes wrinkles that look very real.

Say less, I'm omw

TORILLE

Man I just love being undesirable in every country due to my beliefs, lifestyle, or lack of a degree.
- Explain the "beliefs" so I can judge you.
  
  I believe that my gay neighbors should be able to grow weed in their yard and if you diss our trans homies, we might get violent before we bother asking nicely for you to leave, and if you refuse then the guns are coming out. Armed minorities are harder to oppress.
  Judge away.
- Very few people can operate a transporter, though.
  
  You make a good point, I'll have to see if there are any practical applications in Europe or Canada.
- All of these things can change

Americans: Ok sure, but SoCiAlIsM!
- Oh no, careful, you might just get affordable healthcare!
  
  I want healthcare to be for everybody, not just to be more affordable for the ones who can afford it.

Lmao I'm not moving to Europe