America No Rule

In Australia we call it a long black. I think it's a great name and wish it would catch on across the pond.
- Oh we call that a BBC but I'm told it's confusing to the folks across the other pond (the real pond)
  
  Bold Black Canadiano? I'm pretty sure that's what it is.
- The difference is the order: long black has water on the bottom, espresso on top. Canadiano is the opposite.
  Long black's better because it preserves the crema better (it doesn't get murdered by pouring the water on top)

I mean an Americano is just watered down espresso and AFAIK was coined to make fun of the Americans.
- But what does that say about yourself when that's apparently the kind of coffee you want?
  
  Means you had (likely) cruddy coffee that was normalized for you since a young age, probably with loads of sugar and or milk/cream to boot.
  Just the normal cycle for most people tbh.
  The comfort of the known combined with an underdeveloped palette is what makes it attractive to a lot of people
  It often changes and evolves with time as you grow older, kind of like when you try foods that you hated as a kid only to discover they’re really good.
  Granted that only happens if you explore and experiment, otherwise you never really grow out of it
- Seems to be right. Not that the making fun of was accurate, but if you have a bunch of toxic men who think espresso puts hair on your chest, seeing folks drink drip coffee is probably embarrassing even though it's objectively got more caffeine and a completely distinct flavor.
  
  Americano is not (supposed to be) drip coffee, it's a shot of espresso with added hot water.
  
  I don't know if it was so much "Make fun of" as the sentiment was "They can't handle it" similar to how certain cultures eat relatively spicy food tease those who can't handle it. I don't have direct evidence for that part, and my source was a friend of mine who was a foreign exchange student from France who explained it to me as such.

Freedomlandian here, keep it up. I'm so fucking ashamed of my country. If someone gets butthurt about petty stuff like this, good.
- I'll back you up: This likely upsets the right (in both senses of the word) people. This and all the upside-down merch. Keep going you glorious-and-upset-yet-polite people north of the border.
  PS: please keep sending maple syrup, and thank you.
  
  PS: please keep sending maple syrup, and thank you.
  It'll have a tariff, and if things ever go back to normal and the tariff is removed the price will not go down again
  
  If you see anyone get upset about this, just tell them "freedom fries" and walk away.

ELBOWS UP

Writing as a fan of the americano, I think we should just call it what it is. After all, what's more american than taking something good and watering it down?
Alternatively we could call it the italiano since that's where it originated. Or "café à l'eau" perhaps, what's more Canadian than randomly adding french. Calling it "canadiano" feels too "freedom fries" to me.
- "Canadese" is "Canadian" in italian, so that would also change compared to Americano (American in Italian)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_americano#Origin
  That said, why not Canadiano. Sometimes you want more and a litttle hydration in there. It's hard to sip an espresso for more than a couple of minutes.
  Agree it feels kind of "freedom fries"-ey but remember that freedom fries were a US republiQan idiocy in a pathetic attempt to mock the French for being too smart to get balls-deep in the Iraq II war. No one but complete koolaid-drinking Qanuts say 'freedom fries' now because (a) the French were correct anyway and (b) fries are Belgian.
  In that sense, this is probably better and has a chance of sticking.
  
  Because a Canadiano is a much stronger, beefed-up caffeinated beverage — coffee with two shots of espresso. Let’s just call an Americano what is is — snowflake fuel.
  
  It's not the same situation as freedom fries at all, but it has the same sort of cringe feel to me. Just like french fries, the americano isn't really american. We're not 'sticking it' to anyone here, so it rubs me the wrong way a little. I hardly have a strong opinion on it though.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caff%C3%A8_americano#Origin
  Wait, so does it refer to American as in USA or belonging to the western hemisphere? I'm asking this as someone who doesn't live in the Americas and don't drink coffee at all and didn't know the term before reading this post.
- Lungho Nero?

A Canadiano sounds pretty good rn what's in it
- Americano sweetened with maple syrup. And if that's not a thing it should be.

It was stupid with the freedom fries and it's still stupid today
- Except freedom fries was over morons being upset France that didnt invade another country.
  This is people upset over America being an awful country.

It should be left Americano. It’s called that because Americans couldn’t handle the stronger coffee or espresso and wanted it watered down. Weak. “Americano” is kinda insulting by itself. But whatever works for you.
- I used to look down on the Americano, but as I got older I realized sometimes I'm more in the mood for one than espresso or a milky drink.
  It's the same amount of coffee, just in lower concentration. You can also sip on it longer before you run out.
  
  just drink filter coffee
- That’s one theory as of why. The other is a lack of coffee supplies during wartime.
  
  Ya, the term was more descriptive than pejorative.
- This one is ironic because the macho-mindset of needing to be STRONG and therefor only consuming hard stuff is realy American interpretation of manhood in itself.
  
  Ya, the macho-mindset is what was offered when joes asked for the rations they were used to, not the other way around and not unique.

while I support Canada boycotting the US, you have to admit this in particular is "freedom fries" tier patriotism. it was embarrassing then, and it is embarrassing now.
- Depends. Tongue in cheek it's pretty funny.
  
  I would agree if this was Mexico doing it as a response to the gulf thing... then it would have made some sense in context.
- We changed the nane of a product because you haven't joined us wilding an unjustified war on brown people
  vs.
  We changed the name of a product because you waged an unjustified trade war against us for no reason, even tough we have been your closest alley.
  Not the same.
  
  You understand how despite the differences in justification, someone can find both examples cringe, right?
  
  I didn't question motivations. I already said I support boycotting the US. this is not a method of protest that does anything. it's lame and stupid. Americano is not even American, nor is it Canadian. it's just dumb. it's like saying you remember watching Canadian Pie as a teen.
- If politicians are pushing this particular change, it would be a bit cringe imo but I chuckled when I saw it.
  
  Agreed that it would definitely be much worse, and maybe I wouldn't have found it as cringe if I hadn't seen the push for "Freedom Fries" back in the day.
- Yeah, no. If you didn't support their pointless wars back then, they would call you a traitor. Fuck me for not wanting my friends to die.
  
  You could not support their wars, and also not stoop to their level of pettiness.
  
  I don't understand what this has to do with anything I said.
- Except back then the US was the aggressor, and now the US is the aggressor. I wouldn't equivocate "you don't want to blindly follow me into a pointless war" to "you're targeting me in a trade war"
  
  My point is that neither name change actually sends either message. They're both weak and pointless, literally inconsequential and completely self contained. Imagine the French being ... hurt? annoyed? ... that some fuckwits on the other side of the world don't call fries French Fries... as if they gave a shit before. Same here.

It's funny and the Americans being salty about this one, when their country is becoming more and more fascist every day, are even funnier. Get mad about real important things, not this 😂
- Those Americans need to look in a mirror first, with their "freedom fries", because France decided not to back them in their needless war in Iraq.
  
  The last bit of this song always takes with me whenever I hear that phrase…
  Freedom fries and burns and scars Liberator goes too far Freedom fries and screams and yells The promised land is a promised hell — Robert Plant from the album Mighty Rearranger

Surprising that anyone would want to take ownership of the Americano
- I like them :(. They’re very similar to coffee but a bit stronger
  
  This took me a second to process. Is filter coffee "coffee" in north America?
  
  yeah, it's one of my favourite coffees. I like perc-brewed black coffee already, americano has all the, uh, "perks" of it but also the richer flavour of an espresso. So good.
  
  Stronger?
  
  It's not to say they can't be delicious and can certainly be nicer than a lot of preparations if it is rooted in a nice espresso shot.
  However, the origin story is that American GIs couldn't handle espresso and made Italians water it down to make it more like "coffee back home", hence the name.
  I'd imagine an authentic Canadiano would at least have some cheese curds in it.

A canadiano is actually a cup of drip coffee with two espresso shots
- What desperate soul invented this, I hope they're doing better now, wherever they are
  
  Considering that Finns drink far more coffee than Italians, it might have something to do with living close to the pole. Those dark winters are brutal and the long light in the summer isn't exactly great for sleep quality, either.
- I could’ve sworn that was a redeye
  
  Yes, but one shot.
- Ugh.

chuckles and sips Brazilian cafézinho

Cafe con aqua

exactly

Turkish coffee has been called greek coffee(in Greece and Cyprus) ever since the turkish invasion of Cyprus (50 years ago). New generations of greeks probably arent even aware of that(or it is a neat trivia that some might have heard).

Now add a Trumpecino: extra bitter and double the price.
- And no coffee, because that's black and anything black is DEI
  
  So more appropriate would be a White Russian, lukewarm, with some vinegar?

America? No.

We No Speak Americano. (C) 2010 Sweat It Out is a Sydney-based record label started by the late and great AJAX

But...isn't the Italian word for "Canadian" "canadese"?
- Canadese nuts
- Yes, in Italian it doesn't ot sound right... Anyway...
  
  As someone who knows very little of other languages...what sounds "wrong" about it?
  I mean, if we called them Canadese, it would be fucking weird...but that works for countries like China, who we call Chinese.
  But English is fucking weird. We are five languages duct-taped together and making up rules as we go along. We don't even have woke gender rules like most of Europe.

Weirdest experience I ever had back in my barista days was an older gentleman approaching my counter and ordering a "GI Coffee". I had no idea what he meant and he had to explain it to me. It's an Americano.
- Nowadays GI is more likely to be associated with gastrointestinal. In that context, "GI coffee" takes an interesting meaning.

The Canadiano should be the Double Double (Double cream double sugar)
- It should be coffee with moose milk.

Way to offend the Italian, Spanish and Portuguese languages, possibly.
- Nah they are calling it a Canadiasshole. It's funny.

If it doesn't have a hint of maple it's just watered coffee.

Big "freedom fries" energy. Very silly.

Freedomo

This reminds me of when americans renamed French fries "Freedom Fries."
This level of pettiness is something I am truly proud of, and love to see. When Canada floated that idea of welcoming in California, Oregon and Washington state as territories, my first thought was "I would move there so fucking fast, I'd leave a me-sized cloud of dust in this shithole regressive country and never once look back"
- Where does the “French” in French fries come from? What made it French? I’ve never seen it associated with French cuisine. Only American.
  
  French fries
  Well,
  Thomas Jefferson had "potatoes served in the French manner" at a White House dinner in 1802. The expression "french fried potatoes" first occurred in print in English in the 1856 work Cookery for Maids of All Work by Eliza Warren: "French Fried Potatoes. – Cut new potatoes in thin slices, put them in boiling fat, and a little salt; fry both sides of a light golden brown colour; drain." This account referred to thin, shallow-fried slices of potato. It is not clear where or when the now familiar deep-fried batons or fingers of potato were first prepared. In the early 20th century, the term "french fried" was being used in the sense of "deep-fried" for foods like onion rings or chicken.
  One story about the name "french fries" claims that when the American Expeditionary Forces arrived in Belgium during World War I, they assumed that chips were a French dish because French was spoken in the Belgian Army. But the name existed long before that in English, and the popularity of the term did not increase for decades after 1917. The term was in use in the United States as early as 1886. An 1899 item in Good Housekeeping specifically references Kitchen Economy in France: "The perfection of French fries is due chiefly to the fact that plenty of fat is used."
  Americans coined a phrase and ran with it, it seems 🤷‍♂️

Next thing you know Lady Gaga is going to rename her song to Canadiano

In Canada we just call it black
Watered down espresso is just regular coffee
- Australia sort of agrees: espresso is short black, espresso + water is long black
  Filter coffee of any type is black or white
- So what do you call drip?
  
  If you’re having water + coffee then it’s black whether drip, press, or pour
  I don’t really want to get into ratios to differentiate between espresso, I think you can figure that out