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I tried to support this artist on Patreon. Heard there were NSFW comics there. Well, yes, but mostly a creepy OnlyFans-esque collection of nearly nude sexy photos of the artist, with frequent calls for payment for explicit nudes.
(Edit from below, as I figure out what I’m trying to say) It’s a sort of emotional bait and switch. “Come support me, there’s nsfw comics.” “Ooh I love those, my wife loves those, I’m in.” “Whoops, actually there’s also these risqué photos. Maybe your wife will be ok with it, maybe not. You can choose to have the conversation if you want. But now I’ve handed you a problem, unless you want to just immediately unsubscribe. In which case I still keep the money but you get nothing. Thanks for your support!” (End of edit)
Only artist Patreon I’ve ever unsubscribed from for content reasons. (I’m married, intended to support an artist, not to gawk at an OnlyFans.) From what I can tell from kemono (Patreon content mirror - visit with Adblock on), she’s still doing it.
I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported. Comics like this one are really good. I’m torn.
- I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported.
  Too sensitive.
- It is perfectly fine that you don't like the behaviour, but that doesn't mean the behaviour isn't valid.
  I also think it is strange, but not something detrimental. You subscribe to her account, you get comics and nudes. I don't see a problem with that, but I can understand if it's problematic for you due to different surrounding circumstances.
  
  It's a valid point and complaint that they went to the Patreon page of a comic artist looking for comics, and got something entirely different to what they were looking for.
  There's a lot more porn on the Internet than good comic strips.
  
  You have to pay at a certain tier to get the nudity. If you don't, then you don't get anything explicit.
  
  It's detrimental when low-effort, inane, late comics like the above get posted constantly and her rabid, parasocial-brain pay-masturbators proceed to harass any valid criticism.
  
  Low-effort? Maybe, but there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Inane? That's a completely invalid argument and shows you're just trying to be insulting. Everything else you say is true.
  
  It is absolutely inane. You know what the poorly drawn, oddly-sized, barely present, not-even-bleeding knife-wound adds? Nothing. Who reading this requires a stabbing to understand the context? Nobody. How many months and from how many thousands of MAGA morons has she profited in advertising her titty photos with bland, humourless, safe comics? She could have had no knife and made it clear that yes even just supporting MAGA is stillbdetrimental to your "friend". Or she could have leaned into her idea and had a knife-wound that actually looks like a knife-wound. Nope. Make it silly, take the edge off, keep it safe, please don't unsubscribe if you're not actually knifing transpeople then you're probably fine.
  
  Man, you have some weirdly strong feelings towards something you can just ignore and let other people enjoy.
  
  that your comment is 2/1 is just dumb.
  sometimes social media is stupid, all of those people who gave you downvotes for that are stupid
  
  It could have just been the person who has now been banned from Lemmy.world and has been creating accounts to downvote me.
  
  Pizzacake is incredibly popular, therefore there will be a crowd who vehemently defends every action. ¯⁠\⁠(⁠°⁠_⁠o⁠)⁠/⁠¯
- I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported.
  There's nothing inherently wrong with that content existing, and being something people can pay for, but you're also not being too sensitive for not personally wanting to pay that artist, if your surrounding circumstances would make the access to explicit content then seem a little unsavory in your particular case.
  Ideally, that artist would let you pay for just the non-NSFW content, or simply send a tip/donation directly, instead of requiring the NSFW content to be bundled with any attempt at payment, but that doesn't mean that offering NSFW content itself "shouldn't be supported," even if it's not desirable in your case.
  
  Ideally, that artist would let you pay for just the non-NSFW content
  They do. I don't know if this person just decided to grab the highest tier without reading or something, but the lowest tiers don't have anything explicit associated with them.
  
  It's pretty hard to miss too. I just went there from the link in their comic:
  
  “Character Cosplays” is the second item in the lowest tier, and includes like hand-bra photos and images that are clearly the first couple images leading into a strip tease.
  It’s a sort of emotional bait and switch. “Come support me, there’s nsfw comics.” “Ooh I love those, my wife loves those, I’m in.” “Whoops, actually there’s also these risqué photos. Maybe your wife will be ok with it, maybe not. You can choose to have the conversation if you want. But now I’ve handed you a problem, unless you want to just immediately unsubscribe. In which case I still keep the money but you get nothing. Thanks for your support!”
  
  Oh damn well I stand corrected
  
  No worries. You did the right thing looking for details, and when my complaint was about sexual images, it’s reasonable to see the clearly sexual descriptions in the higher tiers and assume that was it.
  
  Absolutely. If there was a set of tiers that had NSFW drawn comics and absolutely zero mention of any risqué photos, I’d subscribe again. “Character Cosplays” is in every tier and really shouldn’t be. (And should really be clearer that this includes like hand-bra photos and such. “Note: contains sexually suggestive photos of the artist” or something.)
- She is within her rights, and so are you.
  Ironically, this is valid version of the above comic’s invalid application of agreeing to disagree. Neither of you are hurting the other by having differing opinions.
  If you haven’t already, you should send a message to the artist voicing your moral support but explaining why you can’t financially support her.
- More power to them. And you did what you're meant to do on the internet, "I don't like that" leave and move on. Thinking about it and justifying yourself is a bit weird.
- I think you're being too sensitive tbh. The artist probably really needs the money if they're doing onlyfans. Just let your partner see the what and why, and there shouldn't be an issue.
- I don't care to support any only fans content. At the same time, I love the art the comic creator creates. I relate to your feeling of being torn
- Out of curiosity, what did they look like?
  
  Not every photo was like this, but the ones that forced my hand were clearly suggestive of a strip-tease. And that specifically is what I didn’t want in my Patreon feed, in between her NSFW comics (which I enjoyed!) and other pervy content creators and, you know, retro gaming and science YouTubers.
  My wife looks at pervy stuff too, and we share links / peep at each other’s monitors, etc. And honestly she might be totally fine with it, especially if I explained it. I just felt like it wasn’t worth having an uncomfortable conversation with my wife over. It felt like an inconsiderate emotional bait and switch. “Hey Reddit, come to my Patreon for pervy comics.” … “Now that you’ve already paid, and unsubscribing would mean I keep the money and you get nothing … surprise, there’s also nearly-nude or hand-bra-type pics, that you can’t remove, with frequent reminders that the $50 tier gets full nudes. Now I’ve handed you a problem. Now you have to deal with this. Thanks for your support!”
  I don’t think kemono has everything archived but you can see enough there to get a picture of what she’s been doing. And I want to take a moment to subvert that scummy call-and-response site spam pattern that gets used. I’ve only ever visited this site with ublock Origin on Firefox, so it could have the worst sort of pop up cancer and I wouldn’t know any better. If you visit, keep your shields up. But kemono seems to be a site that mirrors Patreon and other similar sites, via users contributing their logged in session keys and letting the site mirror whatever they have access to. I didn’t know about kemono dot Sierra Uniform until recently and I have no idea if references to it are kosher. But there you go.
  
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  Didn't see her Patreon or OF but She really look like IRL version of Comic Character.
- I think I would be the same way tbh. Like I don't care that they do it, but I defo wouldn't expect it in the same place as art content. Although it's allowed, I think I would do the same as what you did.
- Most of the comics artist do NSFW on Patreon. It's nothing too crazy. I guess. Like top of artist on r/comics make NSFW comics on Patreon.
  
  I think you misunderstood, this was pictures of the artist naked, not erotic art.
  Which is definitely not something most artists do.
  
  I don't know anything about this particular artist, but nude photography is super normal in the art world at large? I'm confused as to what makes nude photography 'not art' to you.
  
  It seems like you might be purposely missing the point, which wouldn't be a very cool thing for you to do, but I'll treat it as though you are genuinely confused.
  Nobody here is arguing that nude photography isn't art. Nobody is arguing that the artist shouldn't be able to make money selling that content as art. The point is that outside of patreon, there's no sign of nude photography. Only once I support the artist on patreon do I see their nude photography. It should be clear what I will receive from the creator when I support them on patreon, and here it isn't clear, I was given something I didn't ask for. I understand I can just skip over it, but there are a bunch of reasons why I wouldn't want NSFW stuff mixed in with my normal content feed, such as browsing at work or on the train. Plus, with a partner, if they see that and think that I am paying for someone's only fans (or equivalent) it's a difficult discussion to have. Sure, it will hopefully all end up being fine in the end with an understanding partner, but still, it's not something I would have signed up for had I known.
  
  I don't want to see most internet artists naked. If she's pretty and talented, then more power to her.
  
  Oh didn't know that ¯_(ツ)/¯
  
  There is a difference between nsfw drawings and nudes of the actual artist
- I would not say you're being overly sensitive. I think it's frustrating that they don't just have a separate patreon or OF for that kind of content.
- If you're trying to understand an artist then you've already failed.

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