Proton Ditches Mastodon
1.35K Posts, 11 Following, 45.7K Followers · We're consolidating our social media presence due to limited resources and no longer posting on Mastodon. Follow us on Reddit for the latest updates: reddit.com/r/ProtonMail Official Proton account, creator of Proton Mail, Proton Drive, Proton Pass, Prot...
I'm disappointed...I tried to not care about this CEO supporting Trump, but come on...now they ditch Mastodon, tomorrow they close source their clients...I'm losing trust to them, I used to think about them as knights in this capitalist world, but well. As someone once said "You either live and die as a legend, or live long enough to become evil". I don't want it to happen but yeah, I guess we all gotta find a good replacement for Proton services, sad but it is what it is.
Of all the fuckin places to move to they chose reddit 😭
Because they can control the dialog on reddit
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Ditches fediverse but still use Xitter?
On top of the trump apointee praise?
Sus 👀
That’s not sus, that’s what anyone ought to expect him to do, because it aligns with his bourgeois interests. Why would he stay on a non-corporate, federated social media platform when he and his bourgeois peers can’t control the narrative?
This is very disappointing.
They have a large following on Mastodon so this doesn't really make much sense. I'm inclined to believe that they left due to the hate they were getting because of the recent controversy.
So Proton ditched Mastodon but is still on Twitter, aka the Nazi cesspool, and Reddit. Both US propaganda platforms with heavy censorship.
Bad, bad move.
I have been defending Andy Yen's idiotic comments because he's not American and doesn't understand the hyper-reactive nature between US Americans and US politics (because our government is literally run by nazis now), but this decision isn't helping; it will fuel and reinforce the negative image already held by those who have canceled their accounts and those who are on the fence.
Proton marketing itself on privacy while recently calling out the danger of tech oligarchs makes their decision to leave Mastodon and keep using Twitter very confusing. Lot of mixed signals.
I have been defending Andy Yen’s idiotic comments because he’s not American and doesn’t understand the hyper-reactive nature between US Americans and US politics
And I could see the point, kind of, even though it strained credulity on substance. He seemed more confused to me than die-hard partisan. But it's really hard to square what was effectively a blanket statement endorsing R's with his subsequent comment that it "was not intended to be a political statement" (paraphrase).
And then also the official proton account doubling down on it a day later.
His whole defense hinged on making people believe Gail Slater being on the FTC meant she fought for little tech, but omitted her history leaving to became vice-president for legal and regulatory policy for the Internet Association which is a lobbying group for companies like Google, Amazon, eBay, and Facebook.
The Internet Association—a trade group for big technology companies such as Google, Facebook, and Amazon—spent nearly $176,000 to lobby the California legislature last quarter, according to the Washington Post. It is now running misleading ads on social media asking Sacramento lawmakers to weaken the law.
The group claims that surveillance-based advertising technology, which slurps up and broadly spreads consumers’ personal data without their knowledge, should be exempted from the CCPA. In truth, surveillance-based adtech is one of the worst privacy hazards that the law was designed to stop. It also provides little benefit to online publishers, and erodes trust between companies and their consumers.
That medium article that keeps being reposted from some random user with only that one article intentionally omits this work history after the FTC too.
Makes it harder to defend with the statement the official Proton account made on reddit which they have since then removed and kept editing. Makes you wonder what do they actually believe and if this is their attempt to be apolitical how much are they self censoring their true views on the matter to seem more palatable.
I need to migrate away from Proton ASAP.
mustve saw how reddit started banning a sht ton of accounts, and its starting to resemble facebook in some form. its all trump propaganda(negative or otherwise which helps him), reddit is censoring hard this month, it looks like its gearing to be bought off, and to encourage traffic from right wingers, because i keep seeing conservative subs being on the front page alot.
I have Proton email and will ditch it soon.
I’m seriously starting to consider moving from proton to Fastmail. My renewal is coming up in May.
I switched after the whole CEO issue, but tbh I was annoyed at how limited proton mail was because of encryption. Super happy with Fastmail in comparison! Got 2 domains linked, multiple servers using it for SMTP, a bunch of aliases and masked emails. Calendar and contacts setup on android with DAVx5 to de-google some more. So good.
I tried Proton years ago and didn’t find it that useful (I can manage my own PGP keys, thank you).
Started switching to Fastmail seriously this month, after having had mail delivery problems with mailbox.org because of DNSSEC issues (they use a deprecated SHA1 signature still) - I have used migadu.com for a different domain for a few years as well but the webmail is a bit sluggish and the spam filter too aggressive, I might end up consolidating on Fastmail for now
Sure it’s Five Eyes so a slight regression from mailbox and migadu, but if it works well enough I might be able to get my family to move off of Gmail so a net win
That’s really good to know! This may seem like a dumb question, but can you use any email app with fastmail? I see they have their own, but I’d really like to use Canary with it if I switch.
This is my exact setup, too. It works without any problem using either thunderbird or their web UI.
Consider mailbox.org too.
Cool, I’ll check them out.
Agreed. Fair price, good service.
There's also Migadu which I currently use. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles that providers like Proton and Tuta have with their E2EE but they don't use any shady marketing or track you. Requires a custom domain though.
I never heard of them, I’ll check them out. Thanks!
I switched after the CEO came out supporting Trumps nomination and the republicans being the party of the small guy
And now I’ve ditched Proton. Andy Yen’s comments made me skeptical, but I was still confident that their mission was intact. This move, to a social media platform with a demonstrated willingness to censor non-corporatist views, confirms my fears that they are giving up their principles.
Exactly this. I left after the previous comments but still felt they had integrity. That’s also starting to change
That's in line with being from Switzerland. Act cool, but be sure to stick with the richer people and do their interest. Never used Proton (I use Tuta instead) for that reason only. You are free to call me racist.
I am Swiss myself and I feel like things are changing since Trumps second term, at least my friends seek closer ties to Europe now.
Proton gives me a bad feeling in the stomach, I would encourage people to not trust it. The guy is either a big Trump fan or most of his customers are from that base. The best option for e-mail is selfhost + pgp, the second best option are the various small companies offering email all across Europe.
Some of the initial people involved did their university and post grad studies in the US, so they seem more American than Swiss to me and more chose Switzerland to conduct business after starting the company up after meeting at CERN.
Tuta isnt really a replacement for proton. They dont even support PGP encryption, which is kinda the whole point of proton.
Tuta uses standard algorithms also being used by PGP (AES and RSA or ECC) for encrypting the entire mailbox. In addition, Tuta Mail already uses post-quantum cryptography (Kyber) for quantum safe accounts, which is still a work in progress for PGP. Furthermore, Tuta does not use an implementation of PGP itself because PGP lacks important requirements that we have for Tuta
I so want to ditch Proton right now, but I have a lot of resumes out and have been using them for ~4 years, so all of my accounts are linked in a sense.
What to do what to do.. I know and fully agree that what's going on is sus, but I think I need to stick with it for a few more months until the job thing pans out.
Edit: I have a free Tuta account, I'll start weaning everything off, then cut free when I don't need to worry about missing an interview opportunity.
I recommend switching to a custom domain in the future so you can avoid situations like this from happening again, this way you won't be locked down onto a single provider.
yea i used alot emails for my resume when i was job seeking, the one i used switched over during covid, limit "inacitivity to 6 months, deletes your account", wish it dint. i unfortunately sitll use gmail, although i dont do anything signicant, need another one that doesnt delete your acc after a minimum amount of time. im using another service, thats not gmail or microsofts.
i would probably move all your resumes to another account, put it all on a cloud(i did it with drive, you can do it with dropbox?) and any new resumes use another email service.
Aww, is someone booty blasted they can't control the dialog no more?
@ramenu .... proton recommending communication through reddit was not on my bingo card. 2025 has already been a wild ride... looks at date
fml
people were using the vpn to evade reddit bans, but even reddit does not like vpn users anymore.
Can someone recommend a good and privacy oriented alternative to Proton Drive.
It's sad that Proton bought SimpleLogin because I was and I'm currently using it before the acquisition.
Add one more to the tally. Did the offer a reason?
Probably because Andy Yen (CEO) was rightfully called out on Mastodon for saying that Republicans stand with the "little guy"
For real? Man, at this rate, I might have to switch away from their products, I really hope they get their act together really really soon...
I switched to StartMail, I'm officially done with ProtonMail. Are you even kidding me, how just how...
Again??? Isn't this like, the third time they do this?
I know they did in december 2021.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211210133430/https://mastodon.social/@protonmail/107421854866115843
Glad I ditched proton.
What do you use instead?
I went mullvad.
So glad I moved away from Proton a few weeks ago. They seem to be going downhill.
What did they keep?
I wonder if the "limited resources" are due to them potentially losing a whole load of customers recently.
You know, if their tech truly is as open-source as they market, then they've still contributed hugely to the ecosystem. If it turns out it's not actually operationally open-source, then this will be remembered in a hugely negative light.
Edit: I did just see their post about being impacted by the US spending cuts. I can't imagine Proton would be super happy about that administration at the moment. But then again, who knows these days.
The backend isn't open source. Iirc, its just the clients.
big sad
I’m sad too. But I think it’s quite logical given people that use Mastodon probably already know or heard of proton. Marketing is particularly effective for people that don’t know of them (at least while they are small)
Man, I don't want to ditch Proton, it's the most competitive alternative to gmail Europe has afaik. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good, better to have a Trump supporting European company than a Trump supporting American company...
I've read good things about Tuta.com (ex Tutanota). But I remember trying it before paying for Proton and I didn't like it that much... maybe it became better recently.
I've never used Proton. I use Njalla
Isn’t Njalla a registrar?
They're a lot of things.
Drama. Drama. Deama
Mastodon is built on misanthropy, that's why Mastodon people are a spaz.
Mastodon is a self-hostable software, not a service controlled by a single person. The servers are hosted by inviduals so you should be saying "Some people on Mastodon thinks X", instead of the whole platform.
Mastodon rules say for those who have the approved opinions in line with admins, it's fine to wish death on individuals that Mastodon admins want to see killed.
Misanthrophy?