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‘We will soon be next’: German leaders sound alarm on Trump’s Ukraine plan

www.politico.eu ‘We will soon be next’: German leaders sound alarm on Trump’s Ukraine plan – POLITICO

German political leaders have reacted with alarm to U.S. President Donald Trump’s bombshell announcement that his administration will conduct peace negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin over the head of European leaders.

“To be clear, peace must last over the long term. It must secure Ukraine’s sovereignty,” said German Chancellor Olaf Scholz on Thursday. “That is why we will never support a dictated peace. Nor will we accept any solution that leads to a decoupling of European and American security. Only one person would benefit from that. President Putin.”

Scholz, whose Social Democratic Party (SPD) is in third place according to polls ahead of a Feb. 23 national election, called for more spending on Germany’s defense and military aid for Ukraine, and urged conservatives to relax the country’s strict spending rules — a theme he has touched on repeatedly during the election campaign — in order to do so.

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‘We will soon be next’: German leaders sound alarm on Trump’s Ukraine plan: “If Ukraine is left in the lurch now, we will soon be next,” Roderich Kiesewetter, a senior lawmaker with the Christian ...

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Yeah idk how this is being taken so tamely by fucking everyone. It’s insane.
- Because nobody believes it can actually happen. 70 years of continuous peace makes people complacent. Which is good in itself, but when shit hits the fan we just sit back and expect it to blow over.
- Everyone is calm because any analyst worth the name should have seen this coming since November, and its far too late to stop at this point.
  I dont know why Europe didnt start rearming eight years ago, but now they are going to suffer for that oversight.
  
  Because eight years ago nobody really cared about russia.
  
  Which was a mistake, since it was already after the Crimea annexation.
  
  everyone shoulda been gearing up to defend the world from russian imperialism ever since it became clear putin was dictator for life in 2007 or 8. there have been clear and obvious signs this was coming for nearly two decades now and yet all our leaders are somehow shocked, appalled, and on their backfoot. like where y'all been? putin became dictator for life, invaded Crimea, anexed it, fucked around in everyone else's politics giving us donnie dickhead, donnie dickhead extorted Ukraine, them and all their authoritarian buddies bungled (perhaps purposefully) flattening the curce, putin invaded Ukraine wholesale seeking to wipe it off the map, put even more money into the streets to get donnie dickhead back, and now we're here. with people somehow surprised by this latest step in russia's path along aleksander dugin's foundations of geopolitics. how are any of these leaders surprised? its all laid out in foundations of geopolitics, project russia, and project 2025. i'm just some farm country idiot in the hills of appalachia, but somehow i can see all this and these world leaders can't?
  
  And who’s going to defend the world from American imperialism?? (42 invasions since the end of WW2, 5 invasions since 2000, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland…)
  We Europeans have an enemy and that enemy is usa (it’s always been)
  
  all imperialism is a threat to everyone everywhere, be it russian, american, or chinese
  
  You arent wrong. Obamas great sin wasnt the tan suit, it was playing defense against Russia. It doest matter how strong you are or how weak your enemy is, if they only need to land one lucky shot to win you cant let them shoot indefinately without firing back. Then Biden made the same mistake...and here we are.
  
  and not saying how bad things had got until after trump won the election. it made him look like the democrats were just being sore losers to a lot of the right wing base, and then they were further entrenched in 2024 when the manipulation was more naked and more obvious. yet somehow nothing has been said at all. i guess because foreign powers like russia and israel interfering in our elections is just politics as usual now
- Because we can't do anything about it.
  Europe needs to put boots on the ground in Ukraine. You need to stop this now.
  Partly to stop the invasion of Europe. Partly to gear up Europe for war in the hopes of preventing a larger conflict later.
  
  That would risk direct conflict between nuclear powers. I'm not sure that's a gamble we should take.
  I'm not sure we shouldn't take it either. I don't know, really. But it's scary.
  
  Europe won't though, since they expect US/UK/AUS to do all the military heavy lifting and always have.
  
  Literal propaganda
  
  The US fostered this and the EU was happy to accept it. It worked out reasonably well for everyone until about checks watch right now.
  The EU got to under fund and under prepare their military, and the US was effectively buying soft power and security around the world. It's why the US able to basically unilaterally drag a coalition into Iraq.
  
  This makes no sense.
  When did European leaders ever say that the US should put boots on the ground in Ukraine?
  
  biggest military lifting in europe was done by germans.

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