Yep

Progress threatens the profoundly mediocre.

To answer the last sentence: literally Nazis

I mean the very simple answer they'll have to any point you make is "it's a lie told by

<opposition>

<what they want>

Which is why earnest discussion is so difficult. Neither side can really trust that the other side to use words that match intent. I, for sure, don't trust anything a Right-leaning pundit says about their reasons for legislative positions.

I'm in a red area and most of the pushback I hear is about equity. They're all for equality/equal opportunities but don't support guaranteeing equal outcomes. Whatever that means. I'm just trying to answer your question from the end of your comment because I've heard people say that.

Surprisingly, they don't. Well, the ones who enact / reject these policies do, but the layman doesn't. It's incredibly frustrating to have friends and co-workers who reject the explanation for why DEI matters and is important

People denied COVID was real whilst gargling their own lungs. What the fuck would it take to convince you these assholes aren't secretly well-informed?

The country is a racist shithole, and more people than you might think are essentially closeted bigots, unless they think you're some ally, oh boy will they open up and it gets uncomfortable.

If they keep picking White Men, how are minorities supposed to feel like a part of the country?

That's not a bug, it's a feature.

I fully agree and in typical American fashion, affirmative action and DEI were just bandaids to quickly solve some of the effects of institutional discrimination, instead of solving it at the root.

Even I, as a very progressive person, don't like some DEI hires. But the actual problematic DEI hires are not talented people like Kamala Harris. They are connected incompetent people.

I think Clarence Thomas would be a good example. By most accounts he is the most corrupt and incompetent justice, who just happened to run in the right conservative circles.

In the business world, I also see quite a lot of well-connected incompetent people. It used to be white gulf buddies, now it tends to be the white sister-of, or the latina wife-of, the gulf buddy.

Maybe the Trump kids are the best example of DEI hires. Ivanka Trump, anyone?

female run office spaces

The worst places I have worked at had female leadership and majority women employees. The gossip and bullying was off the scale. Older ladies harassing young men was a daily occurrence and laughed at.

But the ascent is something I've literally heard mentioned by white owners. When they hired their first non-white employee they made a point of mentioning how easy he was to understand.

Many people beed tk realize the reality that a lot of the interactions we are seeing on mainstream social media platforms especially x/ twitter whatever the fuck its called now, is heavily manipulated by imperial actors such as the company team Jorge which is a mossad run bot farm out of israel that for a price (or even for free depending on the cause, floods platforms with fake engagement meant to make conservatism Look more popular than it truly is to manufacture consent and confuse/ wear down people attempting to dialogue and potentially even convince uninformed people consuming this state propaganda to support fascism/ conservatism.

I preferred hiring people that I knew were good workers or were referred to me by people I trusted to have good judgement over someone who was maybe better on paper.

An unfortunate side effect of that is my social circle early in my career was mostly other white people.

Right, and your statement proves that individual racism isn't required for oppresion to exist, cuz you're pretty much defining systemic racism. Many white people don't know many POC because of deliberate, decades-long systemic segregation practices (e.g red-lining) that push us towards race-defined classes.

This misses the point entirely.

DEI is about finding the best candidate for the job, and paying them fair wages.

What you’re describing is literally anti-DEI. Musk and Trump have both been open about using the H-1B visa program to find foreign workers who will work cheaply, and they do it so that they don’t have to pay American workers a fair amount.

This is the direction Google was heading anyway. More H1-B visas. More precarious employment for developers. More downward pressure on wages. Longer hours. Shittier living conditions. Eat the Bugs. Live in the Pod. Then spend your free time telling people to Like, Subscribe, and Share your 10 Neat Tricks on how they can make it all the way to the "coding goon for a defunct software company" proletariat high water mark.

The presence or absence of DEI was always just window dressing for shit these companies wanted to do anyway. DEI never really worked save as a means of shoving off the then-current administration's interrogation of Silicon Valley business practice. Now that the old Bidencrats are gone and the new Trumpocrats are in, its time to say "Actually all the Vivek Ramaswamy clones we're importing are part of the MAGA vision and they always have been".

DEI is literally oversight to ensure that there ISNT racism . For example, it includes:

• Outreach programs to talk to people in underrepresented communities to tell them that opportunities exist
• Avoiding biased language and assumptions in the hiring process that would negatively impact people of certain demographics
• Hiring authorities that prevent bias against the disabled and veterans
• Audits and data to see if an organization has decided to just be racist and reject non-white applicants

Your argument is, we should remove people's protections because if we taught everyone better they wouldnt be discriminatory.

It isn't about race. It's about making sure that all perspectives are taken into account when making a decision. That's it. The think tanks against it are against having rules put upon them. Removing DEI is the same as stripping out market regulation.

DEI also includes protecting people with disabilities, and veterans from getting skipped over in the hiring process. Those have nothing to do with race. Do veterans deserve to get shit canned too?

wtf do you think DEI is?? have you never sat through a training? it's the most boring thing ever

What's your answer to this then?

The honest take on DEI (which I think is total horse shit) is racially discriminating "the other way" to make up for the past.

One big part about these discussions is some people say that racism has power as a component, i.e. black people can't be racist. This take is what enables them to sit in a committee and say "we have two equally qualified candidates, so let's give the job to the black one" and say that with a straight face without feeling like they racially discriminated, even though the DEFINITION of racial discrimination is making a decision based solely on race.

I think, "state approved racism" is the best definition. God forbid to be a person from Eastern Europe: even though you have a background akin to middle East (mostly democracy and wealth-wise), you'll get treated as a fucking King Charles in US because of your skin color. Check my privelege? I didn't have any to begin with!

Ok cracker.