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Nazis

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He's just into war reenactment and also expressing that his heart went out to him (/s).
- This kind of reminds me of this old skit https://youtu.be/PxS1H7oqrSI
- heart went out
  That cold, shriveled, thorny accessory organ flew across the room at match speed and took someone's eye out.

It was literally the nazis who got centrists to "water-down" the word nazi.
- They’re still working on it.

Intentional Stonetoss expression at the end?
- I was thinking the same thing
  
  I'm glad I'm not the only one! It's so good!
- Right? The guy's nose disappears, it's gotta be intentional

Normalizing fascism.
The sooner we accept we've reached that stage, the sooner we can do something about it.
I'm not holding my breath.
- Start calling them Nazis and Nazi sympathizers, to start.
  Honestly, the simple act of doing that has calmed a lot of the dissonance in my brain.

This is every fucking conversation I have with my right leaning friends at this point.
- Cut them off.
  
  Good idea, but how do you then denazify them? There's way too many Nazis to just "cut them off", it'd be like living in a rural town without using a car.
  
  Please yes, isolate yourself for the cult

There was no way we could tell he was a Nazi 😔
- Who amongst us hasn't mistakenly made what looks like a Nazi salute, twice, in front of a crowd whilst doing a speech, been wrongfully interpreted as an AfD supporter after having said "I support the AfD" or made posts claiming that Jews do bad things which were unfairly seen as antisemitic?
  It could happen to anybody!
  /s

I’m a little worried about the distraction this is causing, distraction away from taking real action that can help. Like, felon and nazi are real and useful predictive attributes, but we kind of already knew some of that.
I feel like a better focus would be on taking action - donation, volunteerism, things your class valedictorian would do - to counter actual harmful or evil changes that are made in actual legislation. It sucks to have to prop up things that make America actually great ourselves because narrow minded politicians cut public funding. But to keep these things alive, we have to step up.
We already made our predictions known. Deep down we already know this isn’t convincing anybody new. The next step is taking action. Local non-profits want to hear from you. If it’s a cause that you think might be threatened, and you care about it, you might be able to help.

When I saw the headlines about musk, frankly I figured it wasn’t worth even looking at. The Trump show had begun, everything was going to be kind of accurate but maybe overemphasized at times. I imagined it was a weird wave because of his ketamine problem and he was probably high as usual.
Then I saw the clip.
- Same, I saw the still image and thought, "oh this is like where they grab a still of them waving then are like 'look! Obama doing the Nazi salute!'"
  Nope. Video was one of the most emphatic Nazi salutes I've ever seen. Twice!

My Lemmy blocklist has literally tripled since yesterday lol.
- If we keep going, we can make this an echo chamber yet!
  
  Kinda weird that its only an echo chamber when it leaves out the right.
  
  Are we all still referring to the comic strip about Nazis?
  
  Aaaand blocked. Keep fellating Trump and Musk

Turns out he was just playing in a WWII movie
- A production of The Producers. Singing Springtime for Hitler.

Gentlemen gentlemen that's just a actor on his way to a show.

Meanwhile bro on his way to a reenactment of The producers: Springtime for Hitler: The musical

what does this guy have against nazi's?
- He can nazi what the other guy's saying.
  
  ah bc he hates jews
- The nazi's what?
  
  that's what

Isnt that sam smith's song? Dancing with a nazi

That guy doesn't look like Joe Biden
- There's always that one commenter, eh.

Sorry, but red shirt does have a point. People have been called a Nazi so many times because of small disagreements that now that we have musk make heil hitler signs, people actually wonder if he's really a neo nazi or not.
People should keep the "nazi" label for the real assholes
- Red shirt needs merely to turn around and see the brown shirt with the swastika. There isn't a lot of grey area for interpretation of this comic, the artist is being very clear.
- Voicing concerns as the republicans slowly claimed their way towards fascism is not the same as an imagined wolf.
  The allegory would be watching a wolf circle the chickens but idiots dismissing it because then wolf hasn't killed any chickens yet.
  But that didn't work as well for wolf sympathizer like you.
  
  Mostly what I see are pedants who keep arguing that actually it's a coyote circling the chickens, and that calling it a wolf de-legitimizes actually crying wolf, and that wolves had a very specific platform, and all the while the coyote is getting closer to the fucking henhouse.
- This isn't the same as The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
  Unless you're talking about a version of the story where there really were wolves every time he cried wolf and nobody believed him until the wolves were eating people.
  Still not a perfect analogy but much closer.
- Shut up Nazi
  
  Exactly, thanks for the great example

It's sad but he's not wrong. Nazi has been used on so many people I've lost count and people wonder why it has lost effect
- Found the Nazi
  
  Proof? Or is disagreement with you enough?
  
  Crying wolf...again. The guy in the comic has to specify "literally a nazi" because using the regular word's meaning has been diluted so he has to put emphasis to specify it's a "true" nazi, not just a "vague" nazi.
  Yes it's frustrating red shirt won't turn around to see that it is in fact a true, no shit, actual, factual, punchable, dictionary definition of a nazi but that's because the word has been overused. Your reply is proof.
- The image depicts a guy in a nazi unform, doing a nazi salute. It's a nazi.
  
  If people have been previously calling other people nazis excessively (i have seen people call a huge part of lemmy fascists), it doesnt mean anything the next time someone says there is a nazi
  
  Not only that, but the guy wearing the uniform (god knows what for) is talking to someone. Presumably a friend, which means he is also a Nazi!
  The guy being warned over? Also a Nazi!
  The guy warning the other? Also a Nazi for not stepping up and actually doing something!
  The guy drawing attention and propaganda to the Nazis through rendering in comic form? You guessed it, also a Nazi!
  The guy sharing said propaganda here? Also a Nazi!
  The ones discussing it instead of actually doing something about it? Nazis as well.
  The mods that allowed it on Lemmy? Bunch of Nazis!
  I'd continue but I am willing to bet you did not see that coming
  
  I know, it's the response from red shirt. He doesn't listen to the guy calling out the nazi, explaining how it's probably just overexaggeration.
  It's similar to the ending of the boy who cried wolf. It's not that most people like wolves, or side with wolves, or think wolves aren't a threat. It's the person that that yells wolf is ignored when the real deal comes around.
  I don't like nazis. At all. But there is certainly an argument that the term had been used too loosely (I was just called one in this comment section ffs) and now people are making nazi salutes in DC and are being ignored.
- This people we said where moving towards nazism are now doing Nazi salutes.
  Clearly it is our fault for being smart enough to see what was happening and sounding the alarm!
  It's take a true smooth brain to always find the way to blame the intellectuals for their own abhorent behavior.
  I'm guessing the next stage here is blaming us for why you and them became Nazi. We clearly gave you no other choice. You and them are the real victims here.
  
  Moving towards nazisn?
  Someone who got dangerously close to winning an election claimed the founder of a fascist party and a fascist dictator (both helped cause the Holocaust in Romania ) were national heroes
  A nazi salute would be a step backwards. We are already there
- Bullshit. We've been calling so many people Nazis precisely because they actually turned out to be Nazis. Every single fucking one of them.
  If you didn't see it, it's because you were deliberately turning a blind eye.
- Do you think it plausible that actual white supremacist Neo Nazis might call other people Nazis, despite being fully aware that they are not, simply to further muddle the issue? A sort of, "I know you are, but what am I?" defense, that most of us master somewhere in early childhood?
  
  Yeah I get that they would try to make noise to hide in. But I imagine that is not the majority of cases where someone is labeled as a nazi. Note this was from 2010, long before Trump entered politics.
  And this isn't to say I like, support or side with them it's just people ignore the term after a while of hearing it everywhere for all kinds of things that don't fit
- No, he's still wrong. Even if he has been conditioned to ignore the term because of overuse of the term, he's still wrong.
  The people who ignored the boy the third time he cried wolf were wrong. The proof they were wrong is that they lost their sheep. The moral of the story isn't "don't listen when little boys cry wolf three times and the first two times turn out to be false." The moral is "don't cry wolf when there is no wolf or people will stop listening to you."
  So you can argue that the people who conditioned red shirt not too look were wrong, i.e. "the boy who cried Nazi", but in this case red shirt is most definitely wrong.
  
  That is exactly what I am trying to convey, thank you.
  Red shirt is wrong for ignoring the pointing person. The person pointing out the nazi is right. I am trying to argue that the person pointing out the nazi and the people who conditioned red shirt to the point of ignoring a legitimate cry are not the same and ultimately did not help things.
  
  Except there were wolves the whole time. Tf does the boy do when there is actually a wolf the whole time and noone believes him?
- It hasn't lost its effect. It never had an effect to begin with on the people that this cunt was sieg heiling because they are happy to downplay the very real and very obvious fascist elements of the American right. Saying the word Nazi has lost its effect makes this sound like the issue is one of semantics, as though if that word hadn't (wholly and justifiably) been used so much in recent decades that people would now wake up and go, 'Oh fuck, this guy is actually really bad'. But they wouldn't. Because fascists don't think other fascists are bad.
- The joke is exactly that the "argument" you're using has been abused to such a point by American "centrists" and the even more far right types that per their definition the only possible way to be a Nazi is to have been a member of the National Socialist Party Of The German Worker during the period when it was committing the Holocaust.
  You saw a lot of this shit from, for example, supporters of Zionism, and now you're seeing an even more ridiculous version of it from far-right muppets trying to excuse Elon's looks-like-Hitler's repeated salute as not Nazi.
  Normal people who are not arguing in bad faith will have a definition for the threshold of when a person, party or nation's actions might be considered as Nazism which is far less restricted than "only those who were the murderers in the Holocaust qualify".

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