Man in mental health crisis shot police dog that was biting him, so eight Utah cops firing 51 shots to kill him were 'justified'
Man in mental health crisis shot police dog that was biting him, so eight Utah cops firing 51 shots to kill him were 'justified'
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Let's pretend the shooting was valid. You are allowed to use reasonable force to stop a threat. That doesn't mean death, death may happen but the force has to stop once the aggressor is no longer a threat.
Does anyone think 51 shots are reasonable?
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Public execution happens anytime a cop gets shot
Egh. If, in theory, I'm firing and I think there is a danger there 6 bullets ain't really excessive. I'm not saying these idiots were justified but there were eight cops.
If it was a valid shooting, then the number of shots is irrelevant.
8 officers and 51 shots is ~6 rounds per officer. That's not completely insane if you take into account how quickly someone can fire 6 rounds and addrenalin/the situation.
That's literally 2-3 seconds.
I'm not defending the cops one way or the other, but again, if we are stipulating that it's a "good shoot", then number of shots doesn't matter but even if it did, 51 rounds from 8 officers might be in the realm of reasonable (obviously depends on how you define reasonable).
Sorry it is relevant.
The academy stresses you are only authorized to use deadly force to stop a threat. You are not authorized under law to kill anyone.
It’s why we were trained to figure two rounds then evaluate if there was still a threat.
We were never trained to figure six rounds in a panic because that isn’t stopping a threat. Thats trying to kill someone.
In court cases you’ll see them evaluate each shot for that reason. I’m all for giving cops reasonable doubt but 51 shots is insane.
16 I could see. 51 is just stupid.
Devil's advocate. Would one headshot be more justified than 51 random hurried shots? What amount of random hurried shots would have been justified in this situation? At what point during the shootings do you determine the suspect is no longer a threat?
These are all questions you're expecting cops to have a rational, logical answer to during a very intense, illogical situation that happens in mere seconds. You can armchair analyze these situations and come out with a better conclusion than the one that happened every time, but you have the comfort of not being a part of that situation.
Our review of public records of firearms discharges by police indicates that it is common for 50% or more of all shooting incidents to involve an officer shooting a dog.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/police-kill-dogs-alarming-rate-170111652.html
these canine murders have become so common that the Department of Justice has dubbed the phenomenon “an epidemic.” The DOJ estimates that cops kill 25 to 30 dogs every day, meaning that as many as 10,000 dogs die at the hands of police annually.
Therefore, by their own logic, shooting cops is justified. They shoot dogs like it's their job, and they regularly brandish weapons at people.
America has a gun problem.
Fuck any fucker who shoots a dog.
Fuck any fucker that weaponizes animals to enact state violence upon innocent citizens.