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"We stood behind Obama" no you didn't

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"Own when you lose"? Bitch, we remember Jan 6th. Nevermind Obama.
- There is a reason they skipped past Biden and said Obama.
  
  We all rallied behind Clinton.
  (I read the Monica Lewinsky thing was only found when they were searching something else desperately trying to find something to impeach him on. Because Nixon was impeached.)
- But what do you mean? The election was stolen, it doesn't count /s

I live on the opposite side of the world and even I remember when Obama wore a fucking tan suit once more than 10 years ago because Republicans threw such a big tantrum over it.
- But what about that elitist Dijon mustard he put on his hamburger? That was a real travesty.
  
  Or the time he served too many peas at dinner?
  
  They freaked out because of the choice of leaf in his salad! (Arugula) That obviously makes him the Antichrist.
  
  I ~~retired~~ tried dijon after that, and you know what? It's fuckin awesome.
  Edit: Auto incorrected.
- That's such a perfect microcosm of how unabashedly childish they are. I get that most of them are probably racist but HOW can you POSSIBLY care about someone wearing a tan suit? If I was Obama I would have worn it every day for a month just to spite them. It's the same as when they shat their pants when AOC got like a $300 hair treatment or something. It pisses me off so much.

We were still talking about Obama's birth certificate years after inauguration. So yeah, that's not really a thing.
We should all get behind the sitting president regardless of party, but I don't think that has ever happened...
- I'm not honestly sure that we should. Sometimes supporting and wanting what's best for the country means earnestly hoping the president utterly fails.
  I sincerely hope this trump administration accomplishes less than they did last time, ideally nothing.
  
  The likelihood of a person correctly opining on the president is 50/50. Effectively, there’s no benefit to piling on to the mass of muted dissent or agreement.
  
  Why? The Trump administration will do good and bad things, and I hope they succeed at the good things (e.g. cutting waste) and fail at the bad things (e.g. cutting important services).
  Show them the American people are more than partisan hacks, and maybe they'll start pretending they're not partisan hacks.
- We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration.
  Was Trump himself not one of the biggest pushers of that bullshit? I seem to remember him using it as part of his campaign when he wasn't even running against Obama.
  
  You're absolutely correct. For the longest time, Trump was known as the birther guy because he was constantly making ludicrous, racist, nonsensical claims about it.
- Because sitting presidents never stand behind the American people.
  
  How can they, if they're sitting?
  
  Maybe they would care more if approval ratings meant something.
  Be vocal about good things the President does, regardless of party affiliation, instead of just pointing out bad things about the opposition party. Trump will do some good things (and surely plenty bad), and showing that the public is watching and cares is a good thing. The same should be true for Biden and whoever comes after Trump.
  But no, that's not happening because partisan BS. That said, I will be pointing out good and bad things the President does, as I have done the last few elections.

I tried to be patriotic and accept him as president in 2016 until it was quickly obvious that he is a traitor to his country.
"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."
--Teddy Roosevelt
Every true patriot should stand opposed to trump.
- Agreed. And against Biden too.

"We" as in Republicans? Absolutely not true.
In my circle, the outspoken Republicans were absolutely convinced that "Hussein Obama" was a radical, socialist, communist, muslim foreigner who had illegally become president because he was the anti-Christ. He was here to kill the babies and white people and he destroyed the country. Practically everything was Obama's fault such that it sparked the "Thanks, Obama" sarcastic meme. He couldn't do anything right. Employment numbers down? Obama did it. Employment numbers up? Obama is lying about it, they're actually down. Osama Bin Laden killed? That makes everything worse, but also, there's no proof it was actually him.
- "Thanks Obama" is the best thing that has come from any presidency.
- Don't forget the allcapa. They always fucking allcapped it. barack HUSSEIN obama
- Sounds about white.
- The Osama thing they also claimed it wouldn't have been possible for Obama if W Bush hadn't previously done......things?
- I'm sure someone will find something in her social media history from back then.

R×publicans literally called Obama the anti-christ and tried to make everything he did into a scandal (remember the tan suit?).
- Spicy-mustard was an insult to America.
  
  Saluting while holding a coffee cup.
  Terrorist fist jab.
  
  Was it spicy? I thought it was dijon lmao
  
  I wish

My high school and early college was during the W. Bush years. I hated him, and around that time is when I got political, active, and told my (Republican) parents that I was a proud Libertarian! (Look, I've learned a lot over the years, and Libertarians used to pretend to be a little more progressive.)
My parents hated that, and constantly gave me the "you may not like him but he's your president too and you have to respect the office!" The first time he complained about Obama (hours after the election), I broke that one out and turned it around. And they ~~realized their hypocrisy immediately becoming gay communists~~ decided that the rule was stupid, actually, and that it turns out you don't have to respect the office when you dont want to!
What bothers me so much more than their stated political views is the realization that they never actually had reasoned, considered views to begin with. They emotionally select things that seem directly beneficial to themselves. And then lie about their beliefs because they know they're selfish and indefensible.
They're still republicans but I'm an anarchist who no longer respects any presidents! Funny where a difference in fundamental values will lead you.
- Libertarianism as a concept has a lot to like on a surface level, I was right there with you. They could do something great with the movement, but looking around now you eventually realize that there are really only 2 sides of mainstream libertarianism, 'Republican, but weed and gay people might be okay sometimes' and 'Completely avoid personal accountability, but still punish others when it suits me'.
  
  Actual libertarianism is fine. The problem with modern Libertarianism is them trying to shoehorn capitalism into what was a socialist ideology. Its anathema.
  But go look up Joseph Dejacque. The man who coined the term and was the first libertarian. He would have scared the bejesus out of the modern libertarian larpers. Stood against all the things they are for. Fought in the French revolution.
  
  Actually libertarianism has a lot going for it, period. Where it falls short is in recognizing that the power wielded by corporations and wealthy people now far surpasses any level which could be self-regulate, or be controlled by "the free market". So it's naive in its view of solutions to major issues facing a modern world, but pretty great regarding its interpretations of liberty, and the role of government in people's lives.
- They emotionally select things that seem directly beneficial to themselves. And then lie about their beliefs because they know they’re selfish and indefensible.
  This is the most infuriating part. We all do it to some extent, but some people really turn it up to 11.
- but I'm an anarchist who no longer respects any presidents!
  Respect has to be earned not demanded.
  We anarchists :)

Wait, what?
They actually have the gall to say they stood behind Obama?
Obama's presidency was the exact point at which toxicity and hate became the overt centerpieces of Republican identity - when they stopped even pretending to be motivated by "fiscal conservatism" and instead gave themselves up entirely to just sowing division and spewing hatred.
Hell - virtually the first thing they did was co-opt the formerly libertarian Tea Party movement, which started out, under Bush, as a series of protests against the Wall Street bailouts - and converted it into a traveling right- wing carnival of hate. That became the entire point of it - after the Republicans took it over, the bailouts were never even mentioned again - all it was was an opportunity for right-wingers to congratulate themselves on how much they hated the left, and especially how much they hated Obama.
It's not too much of a stretch to say that everything MAGA has become - all of the division and all of the hatred and all of the lies - traces back specifically to how the hateful bigots among the Republicans reacted to Obama's presidency and the influence they came to hold over the rest of the party.
- Yeah the only reason Trump even ran for president in the first place was because he became a Republican attack dog for pushing the racist as fuck birther conspiracy.
- The tea party was astroturfed and was their construct from day one, they didn't coopt it.
  
  astroturfed
  Ah, the irony...

Fox News gave Trump the platform to push the "Muslim not born in America BS" do they not remember this?
- Did u not no he wuz muslin anticrist? Borned in kinya? Hoosain? Do u forgot?
  Do ur gramma not send u this?
  Duh!
  
  Wut bout not my present shirt? U not get 1?
  
  Man I wish we could go back and get Bernie. :(
  
  Let's not forget Socialist Joker.
  
  I heard he was actually born in Agrabah!
- They remember. Hypocrisy is their bread and butter.

On top of all of that, they also stole a SCOTUS appointment
- Arguably, Roberts, Alito, and Thomas are the only legitimate conservative appointments on the court. That's on the basis of Bush's second term being the only one where they took a majority of the popular vote (or even a plurality, until this past election). Even that is turning a blind eye to Anita Hill's testimony against Thomas.
  They should be in a strong minority, but somehow, it's the opposite.

This is especially hilarious because so much of this rhetoric came from Trump himself! He basically established his political voice by playing peanut gallery through the whole Obama presidency and pushing birther nonsense.
We all know that this is a bullshit statement that Republicans trot out to try and shame people into not opposing them, that’s a given. But to use that to defend Trump, who spent all of the Obama presidency doing EXACTLY that loudly and vocally is a special level of irony.

THERE WAS A FAILED COUP.
YOU STORMED THE CAPITOL.
- We have a traitor in the white house that has sold his soul to one of our greatest enemies (Putin) and as you said, tried to become king as president. Let's not talk about niceties and etiquette.

Yes, we absolutely have to own when we lose, and we have no finer example of this than MAGA on January 6th, 2021 CE. Because fuck me if that wasn’t an inspirational display of accepting the loss of the presidential election to the democrats. Truly a historic moment for decency, courteousness, virtuousness, stoicism, gallantry, and the actual definition of honor among Americans.
Better believe I make my nieces and nephews watch my VHS tape of that day every year on its anniversary.
- Absolutely no qualms with your comment, but I'm just curious. You have January 6th on VHS?
  
  It wasn’t easy, that’s for sure. People keep telling me I should “digitize” it to something called an “SD card”, which frankly sounds satanic.
  
  Took a strange turn there, for sure.

I told a story about how one of the only time I stood up to my awful mother was about this very thing.
I spent time complaining about Bush, and my mother would always whine that you "have" to support the president.
The minute Obama won, she came to me parroting some sort of Fox nonsense, and I engaged her for a while before realizing, "You have to support the president!" She pointed out that I didn't blindly support Bush, and I answered that I believe it's the job of all citizens to question their government (as I openly criticized Obama many times), but she believed you have to "support the president," so when she didn't, she was a hypocrite.
One of the few times I pushed back, and one of the few times she was actually silenced by logic. A memory I hold dear.

In the infamous words yelled at Obama by Joe Wilson: " YOU LIE"
They were behind him with a knife in his back at every opportunity from his first day in office.
https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311 :
Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We’re going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

Why the fuck is this even being entertained? That's one of trump's "lawyer" tv hosts. And she's talking to some right wing rage bait podcaster. Discussing either of their opinions is fucking useless. And OP's intention in even posting this is likely just to attempt to legitimize one or both them as part of the general discourse. These are scabs on the otherwise festering asshole that is the gop. Fucking move on.
- Angertainment. Helps keep the division going.
- I vote for murder. Im fully okay with killing conservatives even if they arent maga at this point just to be safe. Preferably radiation poisoning
  
  This but not even joking. It's simple self preservation at this point to eradicate them.

Feb 2009: "I hope he fails" - Rush Limbaugh
Also Feb 2009: Every single Republican member of the House votes against Obama's stimulus package
Sept 2009: Republican member of the House Joe Wilson is sanctioned for shouting "you lie" during Obama speech to Congress
Oct 2010: Republicans pledge no compromise with Obama in their takeover of the House
Nov 2010: Mitch McConnell's goal is to make Obama a 1-term President
Shall I continue?
- I remember all of these well and now I feel old.

when Obama won we stood behind Obama
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
SURE!
Show me a SINGLE Fox news or oan clip where they are behind Obama. Doesn't even need to praise him just.. you know... Just one clip where they are not trying to punch him in the nose.
Just one.
Show me a single Republican governor or senator who actually supportes Obama...
Who me one good Obama initiative that wasn't burned to the ground because Republicans just couldn't letmovama have a single win because better let Americans suffer than let Democrats have a win. These idiots are petty, small, vengeful and egocentric and have not once given a single fuck about anyone or anything if it wasn't theirs.
Fuck these idiots
- Show me a SINGLE Fox news or oan clip
  Only long form clips.

Stood behind him with a knife maybe
- Just this cool weird thing I 3D printed, don't worry about it.

Obama's thanks for passing the ACA was to lose the House of Reps for years 3 and 4. Then lose it again for years 5 and 6. And then lose the House and Senate for years 7 and 8. Even the left didn't stand behind Obama.
- If the dems wanted the left to stand behind them, they should have gotten rid of the filibuster and passed actual free, universal healthcare instead of the republican plan that just amounted to extra subsidies for insurance companies. Also they shouldn't have bombed a dozen Middle Eastern and African countries while bailing out the banks that just foreclosed on millions of homes and deporting more people than either Bush or Trump.
  When you betray the voters who elected you by giving republicans half the discretionary budget and adopting their policy even when they're going to vote against it, you decrease turnout. When you improve people's immediate material conditions, you increase turnout.
  
  If you want more, then vote in more Senators so Lieberman can't water it down. That's how it works.
  Not to mention the oddity of "we didn't get exactly what we wanted in the first months, so we're just going to give up for the next 6 years and then let Trump in. Surely that will work!"
- Is this lefty representation in the room with us right now?

And they flat out denied Biden.

I'd like to stand directly behind Trump. Especially if he was near a cliff.
- Got to watch put for that backblast

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ted-nugent-threatens-to-kill-barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton-during-vicious-onstage-rant-94687/

"We stood behind Obama" and repeatedly came up with racist and hateful statements that you and your friends were using long before I was even born.

"Yeah I was all for Obama until he put on that tan suit"

Let's not forget the unprecedented amount of obstructionism from Republicans under Obama. They set several records for the use of the filibuster and filibustered more of Obama's nominees than literally all previous presidents' combined.

WE STOOD BEHIND OBAMA????? BITCH, TURTLE MCFUCKFACE SAID, AS SOON AS OBAMA WAS ELECTED, THAT HIS #1 PRIORITY WAS ENSURING OBAMA DIDN'T GET A SECOND TERM!!

Additionally, the problem isn't that he's not on the "right team" - it's that he's a hateful, dangerous pos that is an actual threat to many citizens and the country at large. But repubs have been screaming the same thing hyperbolically for multiple decades at this point, so now when it's a real issue, it gets swept under the rug as "sore losers". People are so fucking stupid.
- It’s like the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" story, but with a twist: instead of the boy shouting about wolves, the wolves disguise themselves as townsfolk and keep shouting "wolf" so often that no one takes it seriously anymore. So when the boy finally cries out for help, no one listens.

Yeah, like - who was the lead spokesman for the whole "Birther" conspiracy?
Yeah, the guy you're standing behind.

This is American, here you respect result on free election. So you don't, for instance, start a huge riot with the goal of overturning the election, 14 days before the inauguration of the new president, supporting the movement to hang your VP and attacking the US capitol.
- FUN FACT literally the 2nd paragraph of the declaration of Independence gives all Americans the right to overthrow the government if it infringes on your rights and implement a government that better respects your rights
  (note, depending on the transcription or print it might not even have paragraphs)
  
  The Declaration of Independence doesn't give Americans any rights, because it's not part of the Constitution and it's not law.

my states biggest contribution to the country is Sarah Palin. I am so sorry...
- Don't worry. You've been out done since.

They're STILL not over it. What a crock.

Aaaahahahaahhahha that’s a good one. Just like they stood behind Joe Biden and didn’t tell everyone to fuck Biden or kill him…

Opposing parties have never been happy about newly elected presidents.

I literally to this day hear redneck chucklefucks whining about Obama.

When Trump lost in 2020 he abused every possible thing he could to try and hold onto power including a (thankfully) unsuccessful coup attempt.

No public option for healthcare, obstructed supreme Court appointment, yep totally behind him 100%.

Revisionist history
No, it’s a fucking full throated lie.

The (Hard R)epublicans made their opinions known.

Even if they did, I'm not standing behind a conservative kid-fucking shitrag. Habba'tcha cry about it.

Doesn’t matter. It’s not an equal playing field. She can lie and no one who cares will change anyone's mind.

“I hope he fails.” -Rush Limbaugh talking about Obama.
It’s lying or stupid to pretend that Republicans supported “Not My President” Obama in any way.

Our media was more supportive of Obama than Trump, at least the second time around. Maybe it's because of Trump's rape trials, Jan 6, and everything that came out of his mouth. But don't pretend that media was as critical of Obama.
- Mainstream media wasn't critical enough, no. The right wing media was just going after irrelevant bullshit like the birtherism, tan suits and mustard. The entire media failed the country, but then again, that's been true for decades.
  
  You are not wrong

I am an American and I can tell you first hand that:
1: Donald Trump is my president elect, regardless of how I may
2: There were certainly some conservatives who, regardless of how they felt, acknowledged Obama as their president.
3: There were absolutely many who did not accept Obama as president (not that it made a difference, because he was still president, same as Trump).
That said, I hope Trump does well for all of us and that all of the terrible predictions about what will happen were just silly and wrong.
- They weren't silly and wrong last time.
  He won't be Hitler 2.0, but he'll do some terrible things.
  
  He's corrupt and will do things to enrich himself. This is what he did before. That's bad, especially because some of the things he did jeopardized lives (especially when it comes to COVID, but certainly not exclusively). However, the people handling him this time are much more dangerous. This is what worries me most about this go round.

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