Would the world be a better place if Christians acted upon their beliefs?
Would the world be a better place if Christians acted upon their beliefs?
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Years after my R.E. teacher said, “I will never fall lower than into God’s hands,” I finally came up with the retort, “Let’s go on the roof and check.”
If Christians were ever at any point actually real about following the teachings of their savior they would do what he said, sell their shit and go out into the world teaching God’s love by helping others not preaching at at people about their sin. It’s literally the entire point of his message.
But they don’t and really never have
Well they're very into fantasies of sending people to hell, which is a major obsession of Jesus.
But really they worship a) a book b) Paul. Jesus is a mascot, nobody gives a shit about the beatitudes, even less about not casting the first stone.
Kind of like Alabama football, yeah there's an elephant with an A on his shirt, but the actual messiah is Nick Saban.
You spot on about Alabama
I don't think that's fair. Certainly some do. They're not the ones that make the most noise, however.
If you can find me a Christian, any Christian that has sold all their possessions, given the money to the poor, and then lived an austere life of charity I’ll believe it. But I grew up a super devout Christian in the Deep South and lived there for 35 years total. I’ve yet to meet a single person that’s actually doing the religion as defined by its central figure.
I'm not saying every Christian is a raging asshole, that would be an absurd claim there are plenty of decent people that are Christian’s. I’m saying not a one is actually living a Christ-like life even the decent ones aren’t giving everything away like commanded by Jesus himself
Your mistake comes in assuming christians have coherent beliefs. They largely believe what everyone else around them believes. In the US this means they are mostly captured by the grifters of society which are coincidentally the capitalists. Funny how that works.
For the rare exceptions you can point look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism.
I am well-aware that Christianity isn’t self-consistent. This was luckily part of my religious education in school and my edition of the Bible even points out contradictions.
To be honest, the title is only there to feign a discussion, since I didn’t want to be too overtly anti-religious.
Relevant Bible passage Matthew 19:21-22:
Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
Ah I see you're reading the LSB version.
Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be complete, go make sure that you tell the poor that they need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and stop having avocado toast. Being poor is a state of mind and they need to #hussle more.”
That's from the SSJ (Supply Side Jesus) version.
Revisiting this thread, it’s been about 15 years since I knew what was trendy in Christendom, and your comment got me curious. Have they put out a new translation that’s even more in line with capitalism than the NAS(NewAmerican Standard)?
I’ll have to look into it
There are two type of Christians, one WAY more common than the other:
- Genuinely good people who actually follow the teachings of Christ and are left wing as fuck.
- Liberal fascists who use a bastardized version of Christianity to give themselves moral carte blanche.
So basically new testament vs old testament.
Aren't people on the left generally not religious though?
If you're taking about the internet La Rouchian "left" then yeah.
Christians these days only follow Supply Side Jesus. https://imgur.io/gallery/bCqRp
this is great lmao
I am not even remotely Christian or any other religion, so the following is meant to be nothing more than a thought exercise.
Suppose somebody in the United States took Jesus up on his word and sold all their possessions, gave it all away to the poor, and spent their remaining days helping others.
In the US economic and social environment, how would they even survive?
Reiterate: I am not Christian and I do not support religion of any kind. I'll add that the foundation of this thought is my general disdain for this late stage capitalism in which we exist.
They'd go to the food bank, soup kitchen, sleep on a tent in the street or a homeless shelter, start a ministry and receive donations. The question though is what if every christian did that, and that's a very complex economic question.
I was raised with a couple different approaches to Christianity, first the boring going to church every Sunday sitting between my parents and listening to the droning of the pastor, then in my teens introduced to the "exciting" world of evangelicalism. Long story short, there's so many interpretations and means which people have used the Bible to control and abuse, I can't support many of the "Christians" or their churches based off of their messages and their actions.
Instead I just live my life best I can with the foundational messages and what I think God really wants of me - to be in service, love, and support others to the best of my ability. I'm a massage therapist that works in hospice. I make a modest living bringing comfort and kindness to others. I also volunteer at a food bank every month. My Jewish boyfriend isn't religious, but culturally follows many Jewish traditions. Which oddly enough makes his behaviors and lifestyle line up much closer to my own values than any other "Christian" man I've dated in my 51 years.
While there may be those who feel called to drop everything and travel to spread the word - you're right, economically it wouldn't fly. If I did that, ultimately my welfare would be reliant on creating a burden for others. As long as I can continue to provide for myself, I can use any additional resources and time I have to help and support others.
Would it matter? If they died living well according to Jesus's teachings they'd be rewarded in heaven. Their mortal death would be inconsequential.
That said, they could probably survive as many homeless do through donations and begging.
That's the thing, in theory they're playing for the ultimate stakes, the greatest possible reward.
Clearly almost none of them actually believe that.
how would they even survive
Taxes, money, and life on earth is irrelevant for christians. That’s the whole point, it’s written all over the bible.
Google Franciscans
If they do as the bible says and it isn't all a big grift, God should bless them with the means to live.
Depends on what their actual beliefs are. If they actually believe the stuff Jesus said, yeah, I think we really would be. If they cherry pick crazy shit out of books like Leviticus, no, they are clearly insane or just shitty.
Asceticism has never been much of a thing in Christianity.
Eh, it's out there. By its nature, it's not something that tends to make itself well known.
Pope Celestine V was just a guy living in a cave. The Papal elections were dragging out, and he sent a letter to the council saying divine vengeance would come down if they didn't make a decision soon. So they elected him.
He sucked at the job, because pope's need to know politics and administration just as much as religious matters. Living in a cave doesn't prepare you for that. He's one of the few pope's who resigned.
Anyone who says that shit probably doesn't have anything you want.
Christian here…..my life was upside down until someone gave me this prayer on a small card to read. My life was a constant struggle and one night alone I just had it, and looked at this card and read it to myself, something about giving yourself to the Lord asking him to guide and help me. I put my full trust in God…..and he’s never let me down. After reading the prayer things just started going my way for once. landed a great job, some money came my way and i was able to buy a home. I really don’t even worry about things anymore it’s like life on auto pilot lol. Be good to others and help those in need and you’ll be taken care of. At no point did I ever have to give all of my belongings away lol. Believe in God, because he believes in you!
