MRW I finally watch Lower Decks and realize that "adult animation" doesn't mean "boring to children", and just means "violence, profanity, and sophomoric humor"
MRW I finally watch Lower Decks and realize that "adult animation" doesn't mean "boring to children", and just means "violence, profanity, and sophomoric humor"
The Fun Police really misinterpreted this. This is not saying anything about how good or bad LD is. I was just expecting something more like what TAS was to TOS. Other than the fact that TAS episodes were half the length and that the animated nature allowed them to afford to depict more exotic things like underwater scenes and six-limbed bridge crew members, TOS/TAS were mostly the same. They had roughly the same degree of adventure, philosophy, humor, etc. On the other hand, LD targeted a different audience by focusing on qualities that had not been prioritized in any earlier series. I was just disappointed by how different LD is from TAS.
I think you're missing the context of ALL the adult animation shows that came before it, because Lower Decks does something special in that category. LD takes the typical adult animation sitcom and mixes in the optimism and character writing from the best Star Trek shows, and it does this quite well. (By the way, they tone down the Rick and Morty stuff after the first few episodes, so don't get discouraged if that's what's bothering you).
Dude, TAS was set on the flagship of the fleet, LD is set on a B grade tow truck.
They are not the same
No one misinterpreted your original post. It was sarcastic and dismissive, so people responded with that same energy.
As to the edit, I think it’s good that the new Trek shows each have such distinct personalities. They won’t all appeal to everyone, but the overall diversity is a strength. Part of what killed Star Trek in the 2000s was that TNG, Voyager, and Enterprise had all stuck to a very consistent approach. After close to twenty years, it was inevitably feeling a bit stale.
It was sarcastic and dismissive
So, yes, you misinterpreted it. Maybe that is how it came off to you, but that was not my intent. Whoops! I tried to find a Lower Decks gif that best portrayed "disappointment" without also portraying anything like "disgust".
Ah, you added context. I fail to see however how you think your title was meant to convey "I thought it would be standard Star Trek, but animated so I was disappointed because my expectation was different".
Someone's funny bone got eaten by Moopsy
That's kinda how I feel about the majority of adult cartoons outside of shows like King of The Hill that feel more down to Earth in a way and less like a full-on highschool level comedy. I personally don't like adult animation usually as a rule because of shows like family guy, robot chicken, and such. There are definitely a very small few exceptions like KoTH or Futurama, but in general those types of shows just weren't made for people like me.
Have you seen Bojack? It's more animated show than cartoon.
Sorry you can't enjoy something if you think it's childish. Your life must be awful.
Careful up there on your high horse
Lower Decks is peak Star Trek. The humor is almost entirely related to previous ST series.
Is OP a Klingon agent sent to ruin our fun?
The difference is really just the profanity because even cartoons made for children tend to have violence and toilet humor.
I think you might be in a minority on your dislike of Lower Decks.
Also, violence has always been part of Star Trek and if you don't like profanity, you are posting in the wrong fucking place.
Also, Patrick Stewart is a huge fan of Beavis and Butthead (or at least used to be), so I'm guessing he doesn't have much of a problem with violence, profanity or sophomoric humour.
Edit: still is. https://nationalpost.com/entertainment/patrick-stewart-has-an-innate-gravitas-but-who-knew-he-is-such-a-huge-beavis-and-butthead-fan
I guess the secondary directive of the Federation is to gatekeep having fun?
Animation isn't for children by default. Only boring, unimaginative people talk that way about animated stories.
Star Trek has always had violence.
Star Trek has often had profanity. In another alien language sure, but we all knew which Klingon words were curses.
Does sophomoric humor graduate to senior humor when it's subtle enough that you didn't catch it as a child? Humor is SUPER subjective and VERY sensitive to the current zeitgeist, so comparing humor across a franchise that has been around this long seems a little absurd. Data pushed Crusher into the ocean for a laugh, that seems pretty sophomoric to me. Bones regularly joked about Spock's racial differences, that also seems pretty crude by today's standards.
Animation isn’t for children by default.
In fact, early animation was not even thought of to appeal to a particular age group. It was just a fun thing to do with movies that you couldn't do with live action. And people who did comic strips in newspapers, never intended to be just for kids, were hired to make them.
i love lower decks but that's in spite of and not because of the "adult humor." the jokes that make me laugh- which is most of them!- would be exactly the same if it was an all ages program on Nickelodeon like Prodigy. the good does ultimately outweigh the bad, and signifigantly so, i just think it was a missed opportunity. i was pretty young when i watched TNG and TOS with my parents and probably would've gotten a huge kick out of LD
apparently tawney newsome is gonna be writing on the starfleet academy show so that might end up being The Best of Both Worlds (Parts I and II) between all-ages trek and funny trek
You wanted Lower Decks to be more boring? I like a good conference room scene as much as the next Trekkie, but they only had 22 minutes to work with!
Let me lead with this: I've also grown tired of the samieness of adult animation genre. Rick & Morty was alright for a while, but that ship was basically sailed for me by the time other shows started jumping on the trend. I appreciate what R&M/Adult Swim did in opening up the field for animation to be taken more seriously in the pitch room, we'll probably have an entire generation of decent media because of that, but we've kind of hit the trough of this first wave. That said, I liked Lower Decks a lot, because it kind of got rid of the high-stakes high-adventure selling point and zoomed in on the stakes and adventures that every day, non-galaxy class Starfleet crews can get into. It's DS9 but with the adult animation vibe instead of the daytime TV soap opera vibe. I love the introduction of the Cali class ships that are just sort of your regular, everyday, multi-role ships. I love that the Cali fleet and the Cerritos are largely just focused on the normal, unglamorous stuff that has to happen in the background while the really cool people and ships do cool stuff in space.
I also liked that the permission to be goofy and work with low stakes felt like it gave Star Trek the room it needs to breathe. It's hard to do serious new Trek that meaningfully expands the canon while also respecting what came before, which, I think, is why we tend to get a higher ratio of prequels. It's just easier and safer to stay within the bounds of the canon and tell Captain Pike's story (I fucking love SNW, not dissing it). Case and point for new Trek, you've got Discovery, which I haven't really enjoyed because it very much feels like it doesn't have room to breathe and/or was written by focus groups. Maybe it gets better later, but I watched the first two episodes and found it less enjoyable than auditing lectures. LD's characters and premise felt much more interesting by comparison, and I've really enjoyed the storytelling. It's not perfect Trek, but I think it's a show that largely knew itself and focused on trying to be the best version of what it was, and that's what's going to make it hard to beat.
"Written by focus groups" is a really well worded way to say that without sounding like a reactionary, well done. Disco never clicked for me, LD and SNW are fucking great though.
I've never seen a feed of this that doesn't have the profanity censored out. Is it just always sanitized or am I just not finding the adult version?
I think OP is so sensitive to the profanity that even bleeped is too much.
And my god is T'Ana hilarious. I mean come on. The whole joke is the bleeping and the fact that she's literally the only person in all of Star Trek that constantly swears.
Also lots of underwear
it's the first Trek comedy
that's it!
I watched the first four episodes or so and what I noticed the most was how it seemed like every character was either yelling or speaking at high volume the whole time. It was exhausting. I really like R&M and I know this is from one of the key creatives on that show so it was super disappointing.
Had the same initial reaction, then I gave it a second try and I was in by the end of season 1. I roll my eyes when people say "it gets better after a while" but Lower Decks does take ~5-6 episodes to find itself. (Does Evil AI Jeffrey Combs do anything for you?)
My dad felt the same, but he powered through a couple more episodes and it gets noticably better, and has now seen all of it except the most recent season. They even make a joke about loud and fast they used to speak at one point. So if you're willing to, I'd say give it a go it really is worth it imo.
The dialogue gets a lot more chill as the show goes on. It's noticeably better by the end of season 1.
Four episodes don’t define a single season (especially when it’s the first season) let alone an entire show with five of them.
they stole the design and much more from Final Space
fuck that show
You're overgeneralizing. Final Space is just one of a category of adult animated shows with that style, starting with Brickleberry (which for the record is pretty shit and not worth watching).
I don't think it's anything like Final Space apart from them both taking place in space. I also don't think they're all that similar in design, but if you want to say the design was stolen, they both resemble Seth MacFarlane shows in design.
I’m disappointed in this community. Someone voices an opinion that is contrary to the majority and, instead of lively discussion, I see dogpiling? To be fair, there is discussion, but in the past I saw any attempts at dogpiling being cut at the start. I see it flourishing here. I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come.
Oh come on, "dogpiling"? It's hard to discuss "it's dumb and I don't like it". That's why most reactions are "okay, I don't agree".
I think the majority of the comments here are decidedly polite for Lemmy. I don't personally read most of these as dogpiling as much as disagreement fueled by nerd-level enthusiasm.
Three threads disagreeing is piling on?
I'm not much of a sitcom fan. They're rarely clever or supriseing. They feel like they write themselves in the most obvious way. And because of that they mostly bore me.
All that being said. Lower Decks nothing different.
I binged the whole series in the last month. Just finished the last episode this morning. And almost laguhed for the first time, when ransom said "Engage the core!" I didn't laugh. But it did get a smile out of me. Now it's over. And I can forget whatever it was I was talking about.
