The possibility that scares me is J D Vance and his ilk creating programs like the German lebensborn program that informed the Handmaid program in Atwood's Gilead.
The German Reich also went through a population implosion, but wanted soldiers and laborers for the cause, and so chose (young, pretty) Aryan women to bear kids?
Whose kids? High ranking SS officers usually had the option to volunteer. No, the women didn't have a say in it: It was voluntary in that they were compelled to volunteer.
So yeah, not only is it a bad time to have kids, its a bad time to have working genitals. Some women are getting sterilized, though you will struggle to find a doctor through mainstream healthcare channels; they'll try to talk you out of it.
Instead, look up witchy circles, lesbian circles, feminist circles and reproductive healthcare circles to get connected. You can also seek counciling at Planned Parenthood, and they'll set you up with a doctor.
Imagine being forced to have the child of J D Vance or Stephen Miller or Ted Cruz. That is not beyond the scope of reality now.
Even as a man this makes me shudder
Whenever somebody says they want to make kids or that people should make kids, I relate to Truman feeling like everybody around him is crazy and that reality is obvious.
I’m in my 40s and decided years ago I wasn’t having kids. The decision making was based on me not wanting to saddle a kid with the same mental and social torment I’ve endured my entire life due to neurodivergence, as well as not wanting to subject them to a country with no future for the working class. I’m an only child so it all ends with me and I’m fine with it.
I'm the same but opposite, lots of breeders in the family to pass on the depression.
I want kids. Unfortunately for the wealthy, I'm also yeeting my nuts so I get to live happy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can always abstain until you feel the world is right.
I'm yeeting my nuts for other reasons. I wouldn't be doing it if the recent US election went the other way.
yup, my lineage ends with me. goodbye awful family name that i have to spell every time i visit a restaurant
Here's a little secret I learnt, you can just change your awful family name if you want too :3
i'll get married someday and then will change my name, but that's low priority right now
You know you can give them a fake name. I've known several people who had a go-to name for restaurant reservations or something because their last name was just too complicated or too common. No one's checking ID.
i started doing that and using my first name, much easier :)
The same happens with me all the time
Yep that's definitely a choice I made. Uh huh, entirely voluntary, that's right.
This is basically the beginning of Idiocracy.
At least the descendants of the owners won't have a long lasting empire. They only know how to manipulate the poors into keeping the world and their quality of life going, not how to keep the world and their quality of life going.
If all you have left a inbred hicks, and you turn public education into nothing more than laborer babysitting, good luck designing your new mansion or engineering a new mega yacht.
Definitely seems the prevailing attitude on Lemmy, at this point if people said they WERE having kids I'd be more surprised.
Wanted to but got red pilled into:
- financial burden = the quality of life I want to offer my child(ren) can't be reached, even compromising.
- psychological damage = my ability to raise a healthy child is high but not high enough, I don't want to raise another drone like me whose self worth is coupled to their productivity in society.
- ecological damage = another human
- emotional damage = I would break to know my child will suffer. The rise of racism, climate change, war... I don't want to raise meat for the meat grinder.
Long story short, there are many points on the list, but at this stage I don't trust humanity with my offspring. Everything else could be sorted out.
3 D
4 BEDIT: Context.
3 D = Deny Defend Depose
4 B = 4B or 4 Nos
The four core tenets to the 4B movement are:
- no sex with men
- no giving birth
- no dating men
- no marriage with men
Or a dying planet.
As a man, I don't want to have kids. Can't afford them. And the future has never seemed bleaker.
The future has absolutely been bleaker in human history - but never have we had such a well informed and clear-eyed apprehension of the doom we have failed not to create for ourselves.
Well i'm sorry to disagree with you, but the future for the West is bleak.
